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Old June 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation 2.4 to 3.8 swap

not sure if any of you saw my thread about trading my eclipse is because im not happy with the fact that its a GS. well i dont wanna trade it in because its not fully paid off yet and i dont wanna go turbo or s/c. what i do wanna do is swap a 3.8 into it.. my cousin owns a shop and i work for him, so i have access to the lifts/tools/engine lift and a great mechanic who would help me. the thing is.. i can not find a used 3.8 engine anywere.. does anyone have a idea?

this isnt just another "engine swap" thread, im very serious about this if i can find a engine for the right price i would like to learn what i would need to do the swap. i have people who are good with this stuff and are willing to help me, but i would like to help also..

also can i use the GS automatic 4 speed tranny on the V6? (im not that good with mechanincs, i can only do basics. (body work is my talent)

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to much work, trade would be the way, you would need new everything not just engine
to much work isnt a problem, i got time, tools, lifts, people to help and a place to keep the car.

i also have another car to use in the meantime.

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if your willing to do an engine swap.. why wouldnt you swap for a 2jz, etc?? 3.8 wont be a direct swap anyway..
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your gonna need engine, tranny, ecu, wire harness, axels, mounts, and those are just the main things. no telling what other things/problems you'll run into.
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here is the link!! its a bunch of 3.8

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come on guys stop flaming him. This guys already dropped quite a bit of money into his car and is clearly pretty serious about this. As for your questions.. If I was going to swap I would do this.
Find an eclipse gt 5sp auto that was rammed from behind and totalled. Part out its engine bay and use its electronic + engine + tranny to do the swap.

Here is why. I have a sneaky suspicion that the gs tranny and the gt engine wont hook up. and dropping one with a tranny hooked up to it allready would not only be easier but would provide you with another gear. Also we know that the gs cpu can run the Gt tb but that is as far as our swapping ability goes.

Now, I like the other guys wouldnt recommend doing this. I havent been on here much for awhile but Im pretty sure there are some great turbo kits for sale that will cost just a tad more than this swap.
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Ok I'm getting serious guys. I don't want to see anymore flaming in this thread or I'll start laying down infractions... and I really don't want to do that.

He is serious about doing an engine swap, so lets help him the best we can.
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come on guys stop flaming him. This guys already dropped quite a bit of money into his car and is clearly pretty serious about this. As for your questions.. If I was going to swap I would do this.
Find an eclipse gt 5sp auto that was rammed from behind and totalled. Part out its engine bay and use its electronic + engine + tranny to do the swap.

Here is why. I have a sneaky suspicion that the gs tranny and the gt engine wont hook up. and dropping one with a tranny hooked up to it allready would not only be easier but would provide you with another gear. Also we know that the gs cpu can run the Gt tb but that is as far as our swapping ability goes.

Now, I like the other guys wouldnt recommend doing this. I havent been on here much for awhile but Im pretty sure there are some great turbo kits for sale that will cost just a tad more than this swap.

Now this guy took the words right out of my mouth. If your looking to do a engine swap this is what you need to do. So you have everything right at your finger tips.
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if your willing to do an engine swap.. why wouldnt you swap for a 2jz, etc?? 3.8 wont be a direct swap anyway..
This right here is actually a good question also. If your going to swap in a different engine have you thought about maybe a 2jz and make the car RWD?
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i bought a 3.8 mivec from a junkyard....cost me a bathroom remodel, or about 500 bucks....junkyard is the place to be looking, and you'll need pretty much everything in the front clip, more than just drive train and electronics, you'll need the suspension and radiator and coolers, it's all different....just cut the car off at the dashboard and take it home....
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i guess the flaming post were deleted because i dont see them.. haha.. its all good though, i knew i was gonna get flamed because so many people prob talked about doing this and didnt do it.. i wanna do it but if its not gonna be worth it then i can understand and i wont do it.. but if it is worth it and the cost would be fair then im all with it.. i just need to find a totaled GT with rear damage or a good price on a engine and all the other goodies i would need.

hmm.. so in a nut shell im gonna need..

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why would i need to swap the axles? are they different? not strong enough?
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This right here is actually a good question also. If your going to swap in a different engine have you thought about maybe a 2jz and make the car RWD?
that would be cool.. but wont that be more work and money then putting the 3.8 into it and keeping it front wheel drive?
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that would be a shit ton of money wat about a 2nd gen turboed motor? wat is it a 4g63
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Look bottem line you can spend a lot of money swapping the 6G75 and only be a stock GT. Imo, honestly build the 4cyl with internals and 10-12psi and kill GTs every day. Now that being said best to find a full front clip and buy that and swap part by part. Without comparing the two cars I would say:

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Also just thought of this I have no fucking clue exactly how the immobilizer function works mechanically but I'm sure that will become an issue for you I would imagine with the GT ecu you'd need the GTs keys
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Also just thought of this I have no fucking clue exactly how the immobilizer function works mechanically but I'm sure that will become an issue for you I would imagine with the GT ecu you'd need the GTs keys
Yeah, thats why I say just buy a totalled GT that has a intact and running front end that way you have everything.
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Agreed which is why I also suggested to just purchase a whole front clip but that still is a huge undertaking
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i think i asked a fair question..

if your willing to do an engine swap that isnt going to be a direct swap anyway, why are you going with the 6g75?
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i think i asked a fair question..

if your willing to do an engine swap that isnt going to be a direct swap anyway, why are you going with the 6g75?
I agreed with you.


I think in the end the 6g75 will be easier to swap in the any other motor. But, like was said before, you now just a stock GT with a shit ton of money dropped in. If it was me I would spend that money to build the stock motor and turbo it. Or, do what myself, and Ian, are doing. Pay the car off and get a sick toy on the side and use the 4G for a DD.
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I think in the end the 6g75 will be easier to swap in the any other motor. But, like was said before, you now just a stock GT with a shit ton of money dropped in. If it was me I would spend that money to build the stock motor and turbo it. Or, do what myself, and Ian, are doing. Pay the car off and get a sick toy on the side and use the 4G for a DD.
yeah not a wise choice for him to do it in my opinion for the reasons you said, but hey, to each his own. if your set on doing it 628, best of luck.

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i would like to do a custom turbo my 2.4 but i have a automatic, can the tranny handle it? also i heard getting it tuned perfect will take time and i will have to keep up on it all the time..again this is what i heard.. turbo would work also because i know people who have skills with this.. unlike me.. haha

so my best bet would be to find a totaled GT that was hit in the rear and do the swap that way and whatever i dont use sell, along with my motor and tranny which only has 10k miles on it.

so using the GS 4 speed automatic tranny wont work?
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i think i asked a fair question..

if your willing to do an engine swap that isnt going to be a direct swap anyway, why are you going with the 6g75?
to be honest man, i dont know.. i guess in my head it would be the best choice.. haha
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i would like to do a custom turbo my 2.4 but i have a automatic, can the tranny handle it? also i heard getting it tuned perfect will take time and i will have to keep up on it all the time..again this is what i heard.. turbo would work also because i know people who have skills with this.. unlike me.. haha

so my best bet would be to find a totaled GT that was hit in the rear and do the swap that way and whatever i dont use sell, along with my motor and tranny which only has 10k miles on it.

so using the GS 4 speed automatic tranny wont work?

bmshue would be the person to ask about automatic turbo. im turbo, but manual. but just from my understanding he doesnt have any issues.
as far as the tune, thats a little more iffy. there will never be a perfect tune imo for the 4g without stand alone or PROVEN reflash. BUT i went span of months without touching the tune with the fic; to be more specific, taking it to rre.
you have options my friend. theres a lot you can do. make a budget (time and money) to see what works for you. engine swap, turbo, sc, 4g69 motor build, spray, head work, etc!
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bmshue would be the person to ask about automatic turbo. im turbo, but manual. but just from my understanding he doesnt have any issues.
as far as the tune, thats a little more iffy. there will never be a perfect tune imo for the 4g without stand alone or PROVEN reflash. BUT i went span of months without touching the tune with the fic; to be more specific, taking it to rre.
you have options my friend. theres a lot you can do. make a budget (time and money) to see what works for you. engine swap, turbo, sc, 4g69 motor build, spray, head work, etc!
a friend of a friend who i did body work for said that he has a evo head and manifold that would work on the 2.4.. is this true?
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yea dude... in the end... i think doing something unique instead would be a lot better... RWD it... do something that hasn't been done... it wont be easy and itll take awhile but shit man... do something different
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yea dude... in the end... i think doing something unique instead would be a lot better... RWD it... do something that hasn't been done... it wont be easy and itll take awhile but shit man... do something different
seems like alot of work and money to make it rwd..
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just throw throw a turbo in it cuz its kinda true it dont make sense 2 make your car a 3.8 cuz it sounds like alot of work 2 make your car a regular gt
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seems like alot of work and money to make it rwd..
what youre saying is a lot of work and money to get a plain ol GT...
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what youre saying is a lot of work and money to get a plain ol GT...
haha to you its a plain ol GT.. but to me its a huge step up from a GS..
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It does have 100 more horses, but is still limited just like the GS.
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I think if the Auto tranny isnt able to handle the HP a turbo is gonna add (I really doubt it will handle very much) then it is probally easier to add the turbo and swap out the auto for a manual tranny. Because if you do the 3.8 swap you will need a new tranny anyway. I know this because a logn time ago I looked into swapping out my 4SP Auto for the GT 5SP Auto and told they wouldnt fit. Its easier to swap one thing then multiple. Just my thoughts.
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I think there is a question you should ask your self. How much money am I willing to put into this? This swap could go anywhere from 1500 to 5000 thats a very inprecise number but your not going to get it any more precise because no one has ever tried this swap before before.

Now that question has two basic answers.

1. I am ok with putting 4000+ into my car.

Well then. Imo Go Supercharged. I know ripp seems shady to alot of people on this forum because of their tuning issues, but you could by the tuning package and a pnp aem fic for the same cost as the full kit and if your buddy has the skills to do an engine swap he can sure as hell install a blower. Lastly this route would undoubtably have the uniqueness factor you are looking for I know of only one other person who has the sc for a gs.

2. I am not ok with putting 4000+ in my car.

That is tottally ok alot of us on here arent. My advice then would be to start going all motor. This route is totally unique no one has ever built a full all motor gs. It would cost alot in the long run but it could provide you with the horse power you need. Doing things this way would mean putting a little money in at a time over a long period of time which might make it more doable for you. Your shopping list could include: The rre header, gt tb, Out laws gs spacer kit, and upgrade from your short ram to a full cai, higher comp pistons, reflash/aem fic whichever floats your boat, ported and polished manafold <- your buddy may be able to get you a deal on that (its just labor), oversized valves +1 mm, etc. All of that could could give you the same hp as a gt, maybe more.
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As Cedric said, It's not the money we are limited on. It's being FWD. Yes you could dump even more money and make it AWD or RWD, but is it really worth it when they're so many other cars out there that fit the bill much better?
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I think there is a question you should ask your self. How much money am I willing to put into this? This swap could go anywhere from 1500 to 5000 thats a very inprecise number but your not going to get it any more precise because no one has ever tried this swap before before.

Now that question has two basic answers.

1. I am ok with putting 4000+ into my car.

Well then. Imo Go Supercharged. I know ripp seems shady to alot of people on this forum because of their tuning issues, but you could by the tuning package and a pnp aem fic for the same cost as the full kit and if your buddy has the skills to do an engine swap he can sure as hell install a blower. Lastly this route would undoubtably have the uniqueness factor you are looking for I know of only one other person who has the sc for a gs.

2. I am not ok with putting 4000+ in my car.

That is tottally ok alot of us on here arent. My advice then would be to start going all motor. This route is totally unique no one has ever built a full all motor gs. It would cost alot in the long run but it could provide you with the horse power you need. Doing things this way would mean putting a little money in at a time over a long period of time which might make it more doable for you. Your shopping list could include: The rre header, gt tb, Out laws gs spacer kit, and upgrade from your short ram to a full cai, higher comp pistons, reflash/aem fic whichever floats your boat, ported and polished manafold <- your buddy may be able to get you a deal on that (its just labor), oversized valves +1 mm, etc. All of that could could give you the same hp as a gt, maybe more.
rre header $400 plus

used GT TB $150 maybe more

as for a CAI.. ill hold off on that. i can use my SRI.

as for the rest of the goodies, what am i looking at price wise? and where would i look for the stuff? and is this all worth it with a automatic? like i said labor isnt gonna happen, all this stuff that i cant put in my buddys will help me on..

and if i do all the listed above, am i really gonna be even HP wise with a GT? and can my motor handle it without future issues?

sorry for all the questions.. im still learning.. haha

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heres the engine alone....short block only 4,499.00 http://www.everdrive.com/partdetails...px?sku=5004605

tranny MT 3299.99 http://www.everdrive.com/skus/BA/404...ansmission.htm

tranny AT 2999.99 http://www.everdrive.com/skus/BA/404...ansmission.htm

anyone wanna take a shot at costs to dress those?....I'm gonna guess fully dressed is gonna put it at another extra 3000.00 after harness ecu alternator, mounts, axles.......
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heres the engine alone....short block only 4,499.00 EverDrive Guaranteed Used Auto Parts

tranny MT 3299.99 2006 USED MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE - TRANSMISSION ? EVERDRIVE GUARANTEED USED AUTO PARTS

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anyone wanna take a shot at costs to dress those?....I'm gonna guess fully dressed is gonna put it at another extra 3000.00 after harness ecu alternator, mounts, axles.......
damn those prices are high..
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