The feared 3rd Gear on the GS Sportronic... - Club4G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G Forums - 2006-2012 Eclipse Authority

TyEclipse · August 27th, 2011, 10:30 AM

Hello there!

I did my homework, searched, and found this thread:

GS auto trans ,

but it does not cover my question.

I own a GS Sportronic, and when I use the sporty mode to shift:

1st pulls hard

2nd pulls hard

3rd pulls not that hard, but the exact issue is that reaching the 4000rpm line on 3rd the car seems to "catch a breath" or something and stops accelerating, even at WOT.

This does not happen on any other shift, just on 3rd.

Any other Gs-er noticed this? Is this normal? Is this some MIVEC-ish symptom (don't let any Honda guy read this if that's the case lol!)

Thanks!

haladafs · August 27th, 2011, 10:59 AM

the car just doesn't have that much power, 3rd gear is a really long gear for us 4 speeds. So 3rd gear just falls on its face compared to the other 2 gears.

pat_08GT_Spyder · August 27th, 2011, 11:04 AM

^ that would make sense... i forgot they even make 4-speed autos nowadays?!? Mitsu dropped the ball on that one...

stangcobra · August 27th, 2011, 11:12 AM

Try not using sportronic, I find the car picks up faster if its just in drive instead of sportronic...yeah the shifts are a bit worse but third isn't as shitty

Kidtkd73 · August 27th, 2011, 11:15 AM

Get a stick

gspower · August 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Yeah I remeber my old thread. Sucks dont it?, but its all there. 3rd is cruising and fourth is just a gas saver.

My moms 2011 sorento has a six speed auto with sporty mode,now that shit rocks.

pat_08GT_Spyder · August 27th, 2011, 04:16 PM

and my GT has a stick, now that shit REALLY rocks

... haha, sorry, just bored

TyEclipse · August 27th, 2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat_08GT_Spyder

and my GT has a stick, now that shit REALLY rocks

... haha, sorry, just bored

TyEclipse · August 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM

I understand now that the 3rd gear just sucks, but I am referring to something more specific during the shift's duration, maybe just for curiosity. Check this video on 0:10:

The 3rd gear - 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS - YouTube

Thanks for everything!

TyEclipse · August 28th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Anyone?

haladafs · August 28th, 2011, 10:17 PM

mine does it too always has, like floor it, shift at like at 3k, then when it hits next gear it will go, then drop rpm just like yours did. try it in fourth too the same thing happends

OrangeCrush · August 29th, 2011, 01:02 AM

I have the sport tronic and I have decided that it'll never have a fast third gear til I do a tranny swap.. or own a GT...

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 01:05 AM

Mines not too bad except I ALWAYS have a bog at exactly 4500 RPMS. The underdrive pulley has helped a lot though, my third really isn't THAT bad....

TyEclipse · August 29th, 2011, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haladafs

mine does it too always has, like floor it, shift at like at 3k, then when it hits next gear it will go, then drop rpm just like yours did. try it in fourth too the same thing happends

Alright! Thanks! All I wanted to know was that my GS was a Crappy GS and not a Crappier GS lol.

TyEclipse · August 29th, 2011, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I have the sport tronic and I have decided that it'll never have a fast third gear til I do a tranny swap.. or own a GT...

TyEclipse · August 29th, 2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

Mines not too bad except I ALWAYS have a bog at exactly 4500 RPMS. The underdrive pulley has helped a lot though, my third really isn't THAT bad....

Good! At least something that could cheat the mind a little

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 09:02 AM

i have a GS auto and realized it will never be fast, period.

OrangeCrush · August 29th, 2011, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

i have a GS auto and realized it will never be fast, period.

This needs to go at the top of the forum for all the noobs to see when they sign up for the forum ... real talk.

I-Eat-Hondas · August 29th, 2011, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

Mines not too bad except I ALWAYS have a bog at exactly 4500 RPMS. The underdrive pulley has helped a lot though, my third really isn't THAT bad....

What he said. The pully does help that, but third will still kinda suck. I found something that helps though. MASSIVE POWER BOLT IN If you bolt this in, it should help.

roman lujan · August 29th, 2011, 01:48 PM

That would solve even the gt guy speed needs

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

i have a GS auto and realized it will never be fast, period.

Disagree.

Mines pretty fast with full bolt-ons, TB bypass, GT TB, and TB spacer. And when I get my F/IC back and get it tuned that will add much more power.

Bottom line -- no it's never going to hang with a fucking Viper or anything, but I regularly slay Gen Coupe GT's and the like.

You just have to do ALL the little things that add up.

And then eventually a superchager....

haladafs · August 29th, 2011, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

Disagree.

Mines pretty fast with full bolt-ons, TB bypass, GT TB, and TB spacer. And when I get my F/IC back and get it tuned that will add much more power.

Bottom line -- no it's never going to hang with a fucking Viper or anything, but I regularly slay Gen Coupe GT's and the like.

You just have to do ALL the little things that add up.

And then eventually a superchager....

disagree, even with the super charger.

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haladafs

disagree, even with the super charger.

I agree that you disagree.

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 04:53 PM

So my fellow GS owners all think their car just sucks and has no way of being or becoming fast? Then why are you here? On this website? That focuses on modding your car, to make it faster?

I think you're severely underestimating the potential if the GS. No it's not a 400HP monster, but it can be a zippy, torquey little machine. Proper modification, along with all the little things you can do -- TB bypass, TB and Manifold spacers, ported TB and manifold, new cam, motor mounts, proper tuning etc. -- along with weight recuction; and it can hold it's own and be a decently 'fast' car.

Mine already is, and I'm not near done with it by any stretch. Bit by bit it has become and is becoming a faster and higher torque car.

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

So my fellow GS owners all think their car just sucks and has no way of being or becoming fast? Then why are you here? On this website? That focuses on modding your car, to make it faster?

I think you're severely underestimating the potential if the GS. No it's not a 400HP monster, but it can be a zippy, torquey little machine. Proper modification, along with all the little things you can do -- TB bypass, TB and Manifold spacers, ported TB and manifold, new cam, motor mounts, proper tuning etc. -- along with weight recuction; and it can hold it's own and be a decently 'fast' car.

Mine already is, and I'm not near done with it by any stretch. Bit by bit it has become and is becoming a faster and higher torque car.

my man i have more invested in this car than all your mods put together, i dont need to be told that i dont love my 4g, its just not all about speed with me, i dont need it to be happy, i have bitches throwin down panties to make me happy.

the truth is just hard to hear, just because we can pwn shitty little civics, and a gen coup owner who is bone stock, doesnt make us "fast", just faster than them.

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

my man i have more invested in this car than all your mods put together

What? Is this a pissing contest now?

And....doubtful.

Also, I never said you didn't love your car, simply asked a question to ALL of the GS owners.

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

What? Is this a pissing contest now?

And....doubtful.

Also, I never said you didn't love your car, simply asked a question to ALL of the GS owners.

sorry if i came off hot brochacho , not trying to start a web fight here. i was just simply stating my opinion.

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

sorry if i came off hot brochacho , not trying to start a web fight here. i was just simply stating my opinion.

No worries.

But unless you're boosted, highly doubt you have more money invested than I do. My sig isn't really up to date, but I've dropped a good $4-6000.00 on this car. I really don't even WANT to know the exact number haha....

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

No worries.

Buy unless you're boosted, highly doubt you have more money invested than I do. My sig isn't really up to date, but I've dropped a good $4-6000.00 on this car. I really don't even WANT to know the exact number haha....

lol, dude im touching the 10k peak.....

jesus christ this went OT

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

lol, dude im touching the 10k peak.....

jesus christ this went OT

Haha, I'll prolly hit that mark in the next month and a half or so if all goes well....adds up doesn't it?

gspower · August 29th, 2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

Haha, I'll prolly hit that mark in the next month and a half or so if all goes well....adds up doesn't it?

fuck yeah bro! especially when you go to meets, and you see that "thing" you dont have yet, and your like, "aww FUCK, now i NEED that"

HomesickAlien · August 29th, 2011, 05:18 PM

Hell, I've spent right at $1800 in the past two weeks so I might be closer to you than my original math indicated....

Like I said, I don't WANT to know LOL.

haladafs · August 29th, 2011, 09:48 PM

Ive owned : rre pulley, rre shorties, intake manifold and throttle body spacers, fujita cai, magnaflow catback, cf hood, progress rear sway bar, tanabe tower bar. I lost interest in the car, it had a nice little pull in second, but still fell on it's face in 3rd. I love my car, but I just realized sooner that the car's going to take a lot more than this car to compete with the cars of my friends so I decided why bother. Sure it looks great, but in the end its still a slow heavy fwd car that's an automatic.

I-Eat-Hondas · August 30th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomesickAlien

So my fellow GS owners all think their car just sucks and has no way of being or becoming fast? Then why are you here? On this website? That focuses on modding your car, to make it faster?

I think you're severely underestimating the potential if the GS. No it's not a 400HP monster, but it can be a zippy, torquey little machine. Proper modification, along with all the little things you can do -- TB bypass, TB and Manifold spacers, ported TB and manifold, new cam, motor mounts, proper tuning etc. -- along with weight recuction; and it can hold it's own and be a decently 'fast' car.

Mine already is, and I'm not near done with it by any stretch. Bit by bit it has become and is becoming a faster and higher torque car.

Man, I dont want in on this fight, but i totally agree with them. It's about doing with what you got. Personally I dont think 400hp is that fast for a modified car. Many of my friends have 500, 600 700 hp and up street cars. Those are fast. I dont want to muck up the thread any more than it already is, so PM me if you dont believe me.

On topic... Under drive pully did help third gear a little, but third with the auto tranny is a little underpowered in my opinion. And if any race lasts into fourth... There's no hope.

PearlGreenNMean · August 31st, 2011, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-Eat-Hondas

And if any race lasts into fourth... There's no hope.

Lmfao!!!! Amen!

HomesickAlien · August 31st, 2011, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlGreenNMean

Lmfao!!!! Amen!

We can ALL agree on that one ; )

FeaRlezZ · August 31st, 2011, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haladafs

Ive owned : rre pulley, rre shorties, intake manifold and throttle body spacers, fujita cai, magnaflow catback, cf hood, progress rear sway bar, tanabe tower bar. I lost interest in the car, it had a nice little pull in second, but still fell on it's face in 3rd. I love my car, but I just realized sooner that the car's going to take a lot more than this car to compete with the cars of my friends so I decided why bother. Sure it looks great, but in the end its still a slow heavy fwd car that's an automatic.

well no shit without a tune going full bolt on GS is almost pointless. the bolt ons for the GS are not like the GT. The GS needs an FIC to truly b full bolt-on and feel the gains.

by the way, wut cars do ur friends drive ??

PearlGreenNMean · August 31st, 2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FeaRlezZ

well no shit without a tune going full bolt on GS is almost pointless. the bolt ons for the GS are not like the GT. The GS needs an FIC to truly b full bolt-on and feel the gains.

by the way, wut cars do ur friends drive ??

Don't bash me, but what exactly do you mean by tune, Like the FIC piggy back, reflash, or like... computer tuning. I'm learning.

FeaRlezZ · August 31st, 2011, 09:31 PM

FIC fuel ignition controller. it piggy backs the ECU. im not a master with it but i will use u as an example. u r pretty much full bolt on. problem is u have so much of an increase in volume of air entering while emissions exiting much faster. the ecu does not adapt and automatically adjust to the proper amount of fuel needed to reach optimum performance. with the FIC u can intercept the signal to the injectors and manually modify this. u can also do other things to such as retard timing and stuff but ya

with proper fuel delivery alone u can see 20-30hp, which is the power that ur missing out on from ur mods

HomesickAlien · August 31st, 2011, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlGreenNMean

Don't bash me, but what exactly do you mean by tune, Like the FIC piggy back, reflash, or like... computer tuning. I'm learning.

He means the AEM F/IC....and he's right.

August 27th, 2011, 10:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
TyEclipse Miembro Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Juana Diaz, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 06 Eclipse GS Posts: 464 Rep Power: 6	The feared 3rd Gear on the GS Sportronic... Hello there! I did my homework, searched, and found this thread: GS auto trans , but it does not cover my question. I own a GS Sportronic, and when I use the sporty mode to shift: 1st pulls hard 2nd pulls hard 3rd pulls not that hard, but the exact issue is that reaching the 4000rpm line on 3rd the car seems to "catch a breath" or something and stops accelerating, even at WOT. This does not happen on any other shift, just on 3rd. Any other Gs-er noticed this? Is this normal? Is this some MIVEC-ish symptom (don't let any Honda guy read this if that's the case lol!) Thanks! __________________

August 27th, 2011, 10:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
haladafs Senior Member Name: Shane Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: IL Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Gs Posts: 2,261 Rep Power: 6	the car just doesn't have that much power, 3rd gear is a really long gear for us 4 speeds. So 3rd gear just falls on its face compared to the other 2 gears. __________________ Magnaflow Catback Exhaust & Fujita F5 CAI

August 27th, 2011, 11:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
stangcobra Has A Big Member Name: Jake Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cary NC Vehicle: 01 svt cobra Posts: 1,215 Rep Power: 3	Try not using sportronic, I find the car picks up faster if its just in drive instead of sportronic...yeah the shifts are a bit worse but third isn't as shitty __________________ http://stancerocks.tumblr.com/

August 27th, 2011, 11:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kidtkd73 Senior Member Name: Joey Join Date: May 2011 Location: Albany NY Vehicle: 2007/GS Posts: 685 Rep Power: 2	Get a stick __________________ Future mods CAI, Sick sound system and Led tail lights

August 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
gspower Senior Member Name: Cesar Join Date: Oct 2010 Vehicle: 2008 Generic Veyron Posts: 1,769 Rep Power: 3	Yeah I remeber my old thread. Sucks dont it?, but its all there. 3rd is cruising and fourth is just a gas saver. My moms 2011 sorento has a six speed auto with sporty mode,now that shit rocks. __________________ DC Sports CAI, D2 RS Coilovers, Aero Body Kit, E4E M style lip, RA eyelids, APEXi N1, 20MM Ichiba V2, Glowshift Dual Gauge Pod,Debadged, 19x8.5 Ruff Racing R930, Nexen 245/35ZR/19,10000k HID, Tinted tailights, Custom Painted Front Center And Back Center Bumper Gloss Black, Custom Painted OEM Hood, Ralliart Tower Bar, Glowshift Digital Volts/Oil Pressure Gauges http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...bombshell.html

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August 27th, 2011, 11:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,383 Rep Power: 9	^ that would make sense... i forgot they even make 4-speed autos nowadays?!? Mitsu dropped the ball on that one...

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pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,383 Rep Power: 9	and my GT has a stick, now that shit REALLY rocks ... haha, sorry, just bored

August 27th, 2011, 05:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
TyEclipse Miembro Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Juana Diaz, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 06 Eclipse GS Posts: 464 Rep Power: 6	I understand now that the 3rd gear just sucks, but I am referring to something more specific during the shift's duration, maybe just for curiosity. Check this video on 0:10: The 3rd gear - 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS - YouTube Thanks for everything! __________________

August 28th, 2011, 10:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
TyEclipse Miembro Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Juana Diaz, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 06 Eclipse GS Posts: 464 Rep Power: 6	Anyone? __________________

August 28th, 2011, 10:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
haladafs Senior Member Name: Shane Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: IL Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Gs Posts: 2,261 Rep Power: 6	mine does it too always has, like floor it, shift at like at 3k, then when it hits next gear it will go, then drop rpm just like yours did. try it in fourth too the same thing happends __________________ Magnaflow Catback Exhaust & Fujita F5 CAI

August 29th, 2011, 01:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
HomesickAlien Senior Member Name: Jon Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Wrightsville Beach, NC Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Not a GT ; ( Posts: 1,203 Rep Power: 3	Mines not too bad except I ALWAYS have a bog at exactly 4500 RPMS. The underdrive pulley has helped a lot though, my third really isn't THAT bad.... __________________ Fujita F5 Cold Air Intake> RRE Headers> WORKS Axleback Exhuast> RRE Underdrive Pulley> Meghan Racing Springs> NOS Octane Booster> Seven Nitros

August 29th, 2011, 09:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
gspower Senior Member Name: Cesar Join Date: Oct 2010 Vehicle: 2008 Generic Veyron Posts: 1,769 Rep Power: 3	i have a GS auto and realized it will never be fast, period. __________________ DC Sports CAI, D2 RS Coilovers, Aero Body Kit, E4E M style lip, RA eyelids, APEXi N1, 20MM Ichiba V2, Glowshift Dual Gauge Pod,Debadged, 19x8.5 Ruff Racing R930, Nexen 245/35ZR/19,10000k HID, Tinted tailights, Custom Painted Front Center And Back Center Bumper Gloss Black, Custom Painted OEM Hood, Ralliart Tower Bar, Glowshift Digital Volts/Oil Pressure Gauges http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...bombshell.html

August 29th, 2011, 01:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
roman lujan Trying to be fully built Name: Roman Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: odessa tx Vehicle: 2007/eclipse/gs Posts: 1,212 Rep Power: 4	That would solve even the gt guy speed needs __________________ mods/ obxr lt header/es motor mounts/cold air intake/megan racing catback/ rre und pully/gt tb/stage one delta cam/ aem fic/ msr stlye 44 rims/tein stechmods i have waiting to be put in stage 2 cam/ manly rods/ apr head and mian studs/ wisco pistions/in need of a nitrious kit/ head/intake manifold

August 29th, 2011, 04:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
HomesickAlien Senior Member Name: Jon Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Wrightsville Beach, NC Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Not a GT ; ( Posts: 1,203 Rep Power: 3	So my fellow GS owners all think their car just sucks and has no way of being or becoming fast? Then why are you here? On this website? That focuses on modding your car, to make it faster? I think you're severely underestimating the potential if the GS. No it's not a 400HP monster, but it can be a zippy, torquey little machine. Proper modification, along with all the little things you can do -- TB bypass, TB and Manifold spacers, ported TB and manifold, new cam, motor mounts, proper tuning etc. -- along with weight recuction; and it can hold it's own and be a decently 'fast' car. Mine already is, and I'm not near done with it by any stretch. Bit by bit it has become and is becoming a faster and higher torque car. __________________ Fujita F5 Cold Air Intake> RRE Headers> WORKS Axleback Exhuast> RRE Underdrive Pulley> Meghan Racing Springs> NOS Octane Booster> Seven Nitros

August 29th, 2011, 05:18 PM	#32 (permalink)
HomesickAlien Senior Member Name: Jon Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Wrightsville Beach, NC Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Not a GT ; ( Posts: 1,203 Rep Power: 3	Hell, I've spent right at $1800 in the past two weeks so I might be closer to you than my original math indicated.... Like I said, I don't WANT to know LOL. __________________ Fujita F5 Cold Air Intake> RRE Headers> WORKS Axleback Exhuast> RRE Underdrive Pulley> Meghan Racing Springs> NOS Octane Booster> Seven Nitros

August 29th, 2011, 09:48 PM	#33 (permalink)
haladafs Senior Member Name: Shane Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: IL Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/Gs Posts: 2,261 Rep Power: 6	Ive owned : rre pulley, rre shorties, intake manifold and throttle body spacers, fujita cai, magnaflow catback, cf hood, progress rear sway bar, tanabe tower bar. I lost interest in the car, it had a nice little pull in second, but still fell on it's face in 3rd. I love my car, but I just realized sooner that the car's going to take a lot more than this car to compete with the cars of my friends so I decided why bother. Sure it looks great, but in the end its still a slow heavy fwd car that's an automatic. __________________ Magnaflow Catback Exhaust & Fujita F5 CAI

August 31st, 2011, 09:31 PM	#39 (permalink)
FeaRlezZ tUNED. Name: Brian Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009 4G69 Posts: 2,989 Rep Power: 4	FIC fuel ignition controller. it piggy backs the ECU. im not a master with it but i will use u as an example. u r pretty much full bolt on. problem is u have so much of an increase in volume of air entering while emissions exiting much faster. the ecu does not adapt and automatically adjust to the proper amount of fuel needed to reach optimum performance. with the FIC u can intercept the signal to the injectors and manually modify this. u can also do other things to such as retard timing and stuff but ya with proper fuel delivery alone u can see 20-30hp, which is the power that ur missing out on from ur mods __________________ AEM FIC / UEGO Wideband + POD / Custom Bolted

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