Okay, so isn't it possible??? - Club4G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G Forums - 2006-2012 Eclipse Authority

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 10:00 AM

That since people can put work and money into the EVO's 2.0 4cyl engine and get up to 1000hp out of that engine, then shouldn'tit be very possible for us to push more hp out of our engines. I mean I know we would need to upgrade to more durable internals but still. Why is it we can't get the power that the EVO is capable of? Just curious.

nokiauser · January 4th, 2012, 10:04 AM

One of our handicap is that the Evo has a DOHC and ours is a SOHC. The other is the tune.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nokiauser

One of our handicap is that the Evo has a DOHC and ours is a SOHC. The other is the tune.

That is true, but as far as the tuning goes we have the ability to change that don't we? and what's the difference between the DOHC and SOHC?

Ballfade · January 4th, 2012, 10:22 AM

Google and learn, young skywalker.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 10:30 AM

lol its easy to google and get a definition but hard to find an explanation. These forums are for learning and discussing. If noone wanted people to ask questions or answer them then forums wouldn't even exist for the most part.

TheFootOfGod · January 4th, 2012, 11:05 AM

yes that is very true but this forum has been here for 6 years i think so the questions that you are asking have already been answered 20 different ways. on the home page of the club 4g their is a search button. yes this site is for learning. if you can't find the answer then ask the question. Google is amazing, learn a ton their. and the diff between sohc and dohc. (cmon man you just letting us all know your a total noob)

post some pics of your car, search the forum, find your answers and if you dont find it come back and we will answer any question you have. welcome to the club

bullet06 · January 4th, 2012, 11:09 AM

Dohc dual over head cams. Sohc single over head cam. So Dohc has two cams a head and Sohc has one cam a head.

TheFootOfGod · January 4th, 2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jhun35

That is true, but as far as the tuning goes we have the ability to change that don't we? and what's the difference between the DOHC and SOHC?

YOU GET ONE FREEBIE..........

SOHC = single over head cam
DOHC = dual over head cam

im not ganna explain the details of what this means, search the forum its out their and if not Google did it for me. good luck bro wttc

Xero · January 4th, 2012, 11:16 AM

Plus, the Evo is turbo. Different internals, different cams different block, different everything. Apples and oranges.

bullet06 · January 4th, 2012, 11:27 AM

It's still do able any car can get to 1000 whp. Just why? You will need cylinders sleeves, pistons, rods, cams, valves & springs, retainers, port and polished everything. Fuel upgrades, axles trans upgrades, everything will be upgraded to the max and then some and custom-built parts out the ass. Everything will be new and far from a daily driver. It would be a book to tell you what would be needed. On any car. But this one lacks in areas the evo doesn't so r&d money and time... So on and so one.

NitroGlisson · January 4th, 2012, 11:29 AM

I doubt our drive trains could handle 1000 HP.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFootOfGod

yes that is very true but this forum has been here for 6 years i think so the questions that you are asking have already been answered 20 different ways. on the home page of the club 4g their is a search button. yes this site is for learning. if you can't find the answer then ask the question. Google is amazing, learn a ton their. and the diff between sohc and dohc. (cmon man you just letting us all know your a total noob)

post some pics of your car, search the forum, find your answers and if you dont find it come back and we will answer any question you have. welcome to the club

That's because I am a noob. lol. I don't care if people know. If I don't know anything and act like I know everything then I won't ever have the chance to learn. And I do use the search bar a lot. But our searching system has a hard time finding anything specific to what I am asking usually.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 11:34 AM

I agree it would need a lot of upgrades. I'm just suprised noone has tried to really push a GS just to say "they did it" I guess.

bullet06 · January 4th, 2012, 11:44 AM

People are pushing it just not people with mad money. If you had the money to get the gst or gt to 1k whp then you could get a supra, Corvette, skyline and so on. You talking about 100,000+ $s to get to 1k plus years of finding out what does or does not work. The cars that are there had it easy with sponsors. And years of racing. We will never get there if RRE is the only one trying. God bless them but we need more people and more money. To get this done.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bullet06

People are pushing it just not people with mad money. If you had the money to get the gst or gt to 1k whp then you could get a supra, Corvette, skyline and so on. You talking about 100,000+ $s to get to 1k plus years of finding out what does or does not work. The cars that are there had it easy with sponsors. And years of racing. We will never get there if RRE is the only one trying. God bless them but we need more people and more money. To get this done.

Yeh you've def got a point. No one will give our poor eclipse a chance!!

At least RRE is though. I've seen some nice MODS by them (Headers are on my soon to own list)

executive · January 4th, 2012, 12:30 PM

You could half ass your way to about 600. But 1k takes alot. Its not many regular people just getting those that far. Most of those cars are owned by shops or people who get sponsored.

Now, cams. He can try and look up what actually makes dohc preferred over sohc but hed be searching for hours... Someone with more knowledge can explain it but it hasnt really been talked about on here.

And they tear those evos down completely soo at that point their only thing over us is cams. When it just comes to hp. Tear our car and their car down, while they build their engine the same can be done to ours, when they are upgrading the turbo system we build one for ours.

Problem comes in with the drive train now, fwd vs awd. They have transmission options. Better tuners.

Job is easier done on a gt, but with the gs its possible, but expensive either way.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by executive

You could half ass your way to about 600. But 1k takes alot. Its not many regular people just getting those that far. Most of those cars are owned by shops or people who get sponsored.

Now, cams. He can try and look up what actually makes dohc preferred over sohc but hed be searching for hours... Someone with more knowledge can explain it but it hasnt really been talked about on here.

And they tear those evos down completely soo at that point their only thing over us is cams. When it just comes to hp. Tear our car and their car down, while they build their engine the same can be done to ours, when they are upgrading the turbo system we build one for ours.

Problem comes in with the drive train now, fwd vs awd. They have transmission options. Better tuners.

Job is easier done on a gt, but with the gs its possible, but expensive either way.

^ AWD is a huge advantage for sure. But I like what you're getting at. Kinda my thoughts when making this thread. Our engines aren't that overly different. we could do what the evo does with our GS's if we had the knowledge time and money. We really need a good turbo kit specifically for our cars too.

mwaterous · January 4th, 2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jhun35

I agree it would need a lot of upgrades. I'm just suprised noone has tried to really push a GS just to say "they did it" I guess.

Iirc Mitsubishi f'd us on that front... there was supposed to be a Ralliart model that came with a turbo. But then they all got together and got really stupid high and somebody scrapped the project. So we got the GS, GT and SE instead.

If you love the car, it has endless potential. If you want (just saying this objectively) to have all the parts handed to you you have the wrong platform.

bullet06 · January 4th, 2012, 12:59 PM

It's not as simple as just doing what another car is doing. The motor are a lot different the dual cam and single cam. Everything will come in to play. Compression, valve lift, fuel air flow its all the same concept but just because it works for one does not mean it will work for others.

executive · January 4th, 2012, 01:04 PM

Its not doing the same exact work and parts but a build is a build. You do what works to get you where you want to be

JoeyC · January 4th, 2012, 03:57 PM

just add a jet turbine and call it a day!!!!

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 04:08 PM

QUOTE=JoeyC;650161]just add a jet turbine and call it a day!!!![/QUOTE]

This guy ahahaahahh

joeyb · January 4th, 2012, 04:09 PM

if you built the 4G69 to the balls and had a tough as nails turbo on it w/ the right tune, all the cooling it could handle, big fat injectors, etc. who knows what it could actually make. like the guys are saying, it's all about how much $ & time you can throw at it. if you have an unlimited pool of both, I'd be willing to bet you could get the bitch up there. maybe not 1000 ponys, but up there.

jhun35 · January 4th, 2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyb

if you built the 4G69 to the balls and had a tough as nails turbo on it w/ the right tune, all the cooling it could handle, big fat injectors, etc. who knows what it could actually make. like the guys are saying, it's all about how much $ & time you can throw at it. if you have an unlimited pool of both, I'd be willing to bet you could get the bitch up there. maybe not 1000 ponys, but up there.

I think it has a load of potential. Any car does for the most part ( and I mean for the most part ). But we have a really good foundation I feel like.

btw Joey, off subject, what stage is your supercharger? and how is the GT handeling it?

Xero · January 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM

Seriously, pay close attention. The two engines are NOT even close to the same. The only thing tgey have in common is being a 4 cyl.
Most cars do not have potential. Not unless you want to dump stupid amounts of money. If you have a GS, you can do some things to make it faster than stock, but if you want real power, start with a performance platform.

executive · January 4th, 2012, 09:41 PM

with enough cash anything is possible. search youtube for fast as shit cars that used to be shitboxes.

Xero · January 4th, 2012, 10:14 PM

I plan to make my moped faster than a Hyabusa. They are basically the same thing.

Not trying to be hard on ya, new guy. It's just that your obvious misconceptions often lead to a thread where you are devastated because you threw a 100 dry shot on your car and can't afford to rebuild the motor after you blew a hole in a piston or bent a rod.

CrAnSwIcK · January 5th, 2012, 02:41 AM

even if you built it, transmission, axles, etc. you still only have two wheels spinning.

and the eclipse ralliart concept was turbo AWD...that would have been amazing for a lot of people.

jhun35 · January 5th, 2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero

I plan to make my moped faster than a Hyabusa. They are basically the same thing.

Not trying to be hard on ya, new guy. It's just that your obvious misconceptions often lead to a thread where you are devastated because you threw a 100 dry shot on your car and can't afford to rebuild the motor after you blew a hole in a piston or bent a rod.

Man I'm not trying to say the engines are the same. I'm saying how people have managed to pull so much power from the EVO's 2.0 4cyl engine, then we, with the right upgrades (probably with a complete upgrade of internals), could be able to pull that kind of power. I know the engines aren't the same. If they were the same then they would both be pulling the same amount of power in the first place.

jhun35 · January 5th, 2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CrAnSwIcK

even if you built it, transmission, axles, etc. you still only have two wheels spinning.

and the eclipse ralliart concept was turbo AWD...that would have been amazing for a lot of people.

^ completely agree. I seen the videos and pictures of the concept car online and fell in love.

Xero · January 5th, 2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jhun35

Man I'm not trying to say the engines are the same. I'm saying how people have managed to pull so much power from the EVO's 2.0 4cyl engine, then we, with the right upgrades (probably with a complete upgrade of internals), could be able to pull that kind of power. I know the engines aren't the same. If they were the same then they would both be pulling the same amount of power in the first place.

Remember: it is not simply a 2.0 liter motor. You cannot look at it that way. It is a DOHC, 8:1 compression, turbo engine. Basically, for the price that it will take for you to make the GS have the same power as the stock Evo motor, it will cost the same as buying the Evo in the first place.

To give you an example: My 850R came with 250hp. I put an exhaust and a tune on it and now it is 330 hp. My GS Eclipse came with 160ish hp. If I put an exhaust and a tune on it, it may bump up to 180ish hp. Forced induction cars show extremely larger gains from mods than N/A cars. Hell, just putting a manual boost controller on my R, I gained more hp than a GS will see with full bolt-ons.

Hope this helps you to grasp how day and night the issue is.

jhun35 · January 5th, 2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero

Remember: it is not simply a 2.0 liter motor. You cannot look at it that way. It is a DOHC, 8:1 compression, turbo engine. Basically, for the price that it will take for you to make the GS have the same power as the stock Evo motor, it will cost the same as buying the Evo in the first place.

To give you an example: My 850R came with 250hp. I put an exhaust and a tune on it and now it is 330 hp. My GS Eclipse came with 160ish hp. If I put an exhaust and a tune on it, it may bump up to 180ish hp. Forced induction cars show extremely larger gains from mods than N/A cars. Hell, just putting a manual boost controller on my R, I gained more hp than a GS will see with full bolt-ons.

Hope this helps you to grasp how day and night the issue is.

I see what you're saying. i didn't know that. It's almost unfair haha.

Xero · January 5th, 2012, 08:11 AM

It is absolutely unfair. Bastards.

That is why so many people bailed on Mitsubishi when they got rid of the GS-Ts.

jhun35 · January 5th, 2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero

It is absolutely unfair. Bastards.

That is why so many people bailed on Mitsubishi when they got rid of the GS-Ts.

If they would had released the Ralliart turbocharged concept Eclipse like they were going to we wouldn't have this problem haha

mwaterous · January 5th, 2012, 09:15 AM

If we hadn't all bought the car, we wouldn't have this problem.

If stupid amounts of power was the only goal, and money wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be here. We'd be in other forums. Most of us are here because we have an economical car that looks snazzy, is fun to drive, and we're passionate enough about that (driving) that we want to extract every ounce of fun out of it.

I don't race mine. I know better, even though there's a large percentage of cars I line up with that I could blow the doors off, simply because there's a large percentage of cars out there with even less power than me. If we manage to get an Evo in a few years as is the plan... well the story might change. I'll never stop hunting down my own private driving roads though... blasting around corners at top speed when I'm not in a rush to get anywhere is and always will be why I drive cars.

mrgibs121 · January 5th, 2012, 09:22 AM

obviously you cant get anywhere near any real power without some sort of forced induction. i agree with what people have said so far, time + money = power. with enough time and money you can make any engine a super horsepower monster, personally tho, i think the process of getting there is half the fun

NitroGlisson · January 5th, 2012, 09:36 AM

Okay...I wanted to say this and get some feedback.

In my opinion the DOHC in itself is not that big of an advantage. It possibly could allow the head design to have the valves tilt in a better angle for flow but a single cam provides all the same features except that. I think DOHC is synonymous with higher output motors mainly for the fact that is used on all around better motors. The DOHC is just part of that product and not the big advantage itself.

BlueFireIce · January 5th, 2012, 09:38 AM

Can you get 1k HP out of it? Sure, would anything be recognizable by the time you are done? Doubtful, you would probably be custom everything, maybe even a custom block, and by the time you are done it would not even really be the "same" motor. The cost would be so high, it would be cheaper to do a V8 (SC LS etc) motor and RWD conversion than it would be to get that kind of power out of this 4 banger, and the LS would probably still be drivable on the street.

NitroGlisson · January 5th, 2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueFireIce

Can you get 1k HP out of it? Sure, would anything be recognizable by the time you are done? Doubtful, you would probably be custom everything, maybe even a custom block, and by the time you are done it would not even really be the "same" motor. The cost would be so high, it would be cheaper to do a V8 (SC LS etc) motor and RWD conversion than it would be to get that kind of power out of this 4 banger, and the LS would probably still be drivable on the street.

I for one wish someone would try this.

BlueFireIce · January 5th, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NitroGlisson

I for one wish someone would try this.

Me as well, I have done my fair share of swaps, it can be done in anything. I have seen a awd v8 swap put into a 86 VW rabbit before, you can cram a v8 into just about anything.

Sadly this is my daily driver, so I will not be doing any swaps anytime soon. But I would like to see a swap and rwd conversion, even if its not a v8 etc.

January 4th, 2012, 10:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
jhun35 UV Blue Crew Name: Jay Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cruisin' Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS Auto Posts: 4,600 Rep Power: 6	Okay, so isn't it possible??? That since people can put work and money into the EVO's 2.0 4cyl engine and get up to 1000hp out of that engine, then shouldn'tit be very possible for us to push more hp out of our engines. I mean I know we would need to upgrade to more durable internals but still. Why is it we can't get the power that the EVO is capable of? Just curious.

January 4th, 2012, 10:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
nokiauser Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Vehicle: Eclipse GS 5 Speed Posts: 656 Rep Power: 1	One of our handicap is that the Evo has a DOHC and ours is a SOHC. The other is the tune. __________________ RRE/RRM Underdrive, Fujita F5 Wrinkle Black CAI, Throttle Bypass, GT Throttle body, Outlaw TB Spacer, Ripp Mods LT Headers, Magnaflow Performance Cat, Fully Custom 2.5" Exhaust Piping, RRE Magnaflow Muffler, Eibach ProKit Springs, Progress 24mm Rear Anti-Sway, Tanabe TSB, GT Tower Brace

January 4th, 2012, 10:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
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January 4th, 2012, 11:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
bullet06 x-street Name: Matt McAlear Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Naples, Fl. Vehicle: 06/GT/AT Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 5	Dohc dual over head cams. Sohc single over head cam. So Dohc has two cams a head and Sohc has one cam a head. __________________ BULLET's Modification Link!!! [^](",")[^]

January 4th, 2012, 11:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 3	Plus, the Evo is turbo. Different internals, different cams different block, different everything. Apples and oranges. __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

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Okay, so isn't it possible???

January 4th, 2012, 10:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
jhun35 UV Blue Crew Name: Jay Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cruisin' Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS Auto Posts: 4,600 Rep Power: 6	lol its easy to google and get a definition but hard to find an explanation. These forums are for learning and discussing. If noone wanted people to ask questions or answer them then forums wouldn't even exist for the most part.

January 4th, 2012, 11:05 AM	#6 (permalink)
TheFootOfGod Luxury, Speed, and Style Name: Jesse Bridges Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: st. louis mo, USA Vehicle: 2008 eclipse gt-se Posts: 1,139 Rep Power: 3	yes that is very true but this forum has been here for 6 years i think so the questions that you are asking have already been answered 20 different ways. on the home page of the club 4g their is a search button. yes this site is for learning. if you can't find the answer then ask the question. Google is amazing, learn a ton their. and the diff between sohc and dohc. (cmon man you just letting us all know your a total noob) post some pics of your car, search the forum, find your answers and if you dont find it come back and we will answer any question you have. welcome to the club

January 4th, 2012, 11:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
bullet06 x-street Name: Matt McAlear Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Naples, Fl. Vehicle: 06/GT/AT Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 5	It's still do able any car can get to 1000 whp. Just why? You will need cylinders sleeves, pistons, rods, cams, valves & springs, retainers, port and polished everything. Fuel upgrades, axles trans upgrades, everything will be upgraded to the max and then some and custom-built parts out the ass. Everything will be new and far from a daily driver. It would be a book to tell you what would be needed. On any car. But this one lacks in areas the evo doesn't so r&d money and time... So on and so one. __________________ BULLET's Modification Link!!! [^](",")[^]

January 4th, 2012, 11:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
NitroGlisson Soon to be SC'd :) Name: Don Glisson Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GT Posts: 25,378 Rep Power: 30	I doubt our drive trains could handle 1000 HP. __________________ Mods: Nitro's Little Girl With Attitude

January 4th, 2012, 11:34 AM	#13 (permalink)
jhun35 UV Blue Crew Name: Jay Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cruisin' Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS Auto Posts: 4,600 Rep Power: 6	I agree it would need a lot of upgrades. I'm just suprised noone has tried to really push a GS just to say "they did it" I guess.

January 4th, 2012, 11:44 AM	#14 (permalink)
bullet06 x-street Name: Matt McAlear Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Naples, Fl. Vehicle: 06/GT/AT Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 5	People are pushing it just not people with mad money. If you had the money to get the gst or gt to 1k whp then you could get a supra, Corvette, skyline and so on. You talking about 100,000+ $s to get to 1k plus years of finding out what does or does not work. The cars that are there had it easy with sponsors. And years of racing. We will never get there if RRE is the only one trying. God bless them but we need more people and more money. To get this done. __________________ BULLET's Modification Link!!! [^](",")[^]

January 4th, 2012, 12:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
executive SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS!!! Name: Jay Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston Vehicle: 07 GT-N Spyder 4.0 Posts: 1,771 Rep Power: 6	You could half ass your way to about 600. But 1k takes alot. Its not many regular people just getting those that far. Most of those cars are owned by shops or people who get sponsored. Now, cams. He can try and look up what actually makes dohc preferred over sohc but hed be searching for hours... Someone with more knowledge can explain it but it hasnt really been talked about on here. And they tear those evos down completely soo at that point their only thing over us is cams. When it just comes to hp. Tear our car and their car down, while they build their engine the same can be done to ours, when they are upgrading the turbo system we build one for ours. Problem comes in with the drive train now, fwd vs awd. They have transmission options. Better tuners. Job is easier done on a gt, but with the gs its possible, but expensive either way. __________________

January 4th, 2012, 12:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
bullet06 x-street Name: Matt McAlear Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Naples, Fl. Vehicle: 06/GT/AT Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 5	It's not as simple as just doing what another car is doing. The motor are a lot different the dual cam and single cam. Everything will come in to play. Compression, valve lift, fuel air flow its all the same concept but just because it works for one does not mean it will work for others. __________________ BULLET's Modification Link!!! [^](",")[^]

January 4th, 2012, 01:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
executive SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS!!! Name: Jay Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston Vehicle: 07 GT-N Spyder 4.0 Posts: 1,771 Rep Power: 6	Its not doing the same exact work and parts but a build is a build. You do what works to get you where you want to be __________________

January 4th, 2012, 03:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
JoeyC -cruzer- Name: joeyc Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: AZ Vehicle: 2006 ECLIPSE GT Posts: 1,568 Rep Power: 3	just add a jet turbine and call it a day!!!! __________________

January 4th, 2012, 04:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
jhun35 UV Blue Crew Name: Jay Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cruisin' Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS Auto Posts: 4,600 Rep Power: 6	QUOTE=JoeyC;650161]just add a jet turbine and call it a day!!!![/QUOTE] This guy ahahaahahh

January 4th, 2012, 04:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
joeyb Hard Core 4ger Name: Joe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norman, OK Vehicle: 08 Eclipse GT - SC Posts: 9,333 Rep Power: 14	if you built the 4G69 to the balls and had a tough as nails turbo on it w/ the right tune, all the cooling it could handle, big fat injectors, etc. who knows what it could actually make. like the guys are saying, it's all about how much $ & time you can throw at it. if you have an unlimited pool of both, I'd be willing to bet you could get the bitch up there. maybe not 1000 ponys, but up there. __________________ "Has blower and many modifications." ~347 WHP / ~309 WTQ / ~6 lbs Boost

January 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 3	Seriously, pay close attention. The two engines are NOT even close to the same. The only thing tgey have in common is being a 4 cyl. Most cars do not have potential. Not unless you want to dump stupid amounts of money. If you have a GS, you can do some things to make it faster than stock, but if you want real power, start with a performance platform. __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

January 4th, 2012, 09:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
executive SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS!!! Name: Jay Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Houston Vehicle: 07 GT-N Spyder 4.0 Posts: 1,771 Rep Power: 6	with enough cash anything is possible. search youtube for fast as shit cars that used to be shitboxes. __________________

January 4th, 2012, 10:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 3	I plan to make my moped faster than a Hyabusa. They are basically the same thing. Not trying to be hard on ya, new guy. It's just that your obvious misconceptions often lead to a thread where you are devastated because you threw a 100 dry shot on your car and can't afford to rebuild the motor after you blew a hole in a piston or bent a rod. __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

January 5th, 2012, 02:41 AM	#28 (permalink)
CrAnSwIcK Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Vehicle: 2006 Lancer Ralliart Posts: 356 Rep Power: 1	even if you built it, transmission, axles, etc. you still only have two wheels spinning. and the eclipse ralliart concept was turbo AWD...that would have been amazing for a lot of people.

January 5th, 2012, 08:11 AM	#33 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 3	It is absolutely unfair. Bastards. That is why so many people bailed on Mitsubishi when they got rid of the GS-Ts. __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

January 5th, 2012, 09:15 AM	#35 (permalink)
mwaterous the mathematical Name: Mark Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: nm Vehicle: 07/Eclipse/GS Posts: 1,796 Rep Power: 2	If we hadn't all bought the car, we wouldn't have this problem. If stupid amounts of power was the only goal, and money wasn't the issue, we wouldn't be here. We'd be in other forums. Most of us are here because we have an economical car that looks snazzy, is fun to drive, and we're passionate enough about that (driving) that we want to extract every ounce of fun out of it. I don't race mine. I know better, even though there's a large percentage of cars I line up with that I could blow the doors off, simply because there's a large percentage of cars out there with even less power than me. If we manage to get an Evo in a few years as is the plan... well the story might change. I'll never stop hunting down my own private driving roads though... blasting around corners at top speed when I'm not in a rush to get anywhere is and always will be why I drive cars. __________________ Sorry for thread jacking.

January 5th, 2012, 09:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
mrgibs121 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Vehicle: 2007 eclipse GS Posts: 379 Rep Power: 5	obviously you cant get anywhere near any real power without some sort of forced induction. i agree with what people have said so far, time + money = power. with enough time and money you can make any engine a super horsepower monster, personally tho, i think the process of getting there is half the fun __________________ 07 eclipse GS MT,AEM FIC with harness, RRE UD pulley, TB coolant bypass, ACT 6 puck ceramic clutch, Fidanza 8.5lb flywheel, AEM UEGO wideband, WRX 440cc blue injectors, custom boosted @ 8psi on a gt35 clone snail, custom tubular turbo manifold, wyntonm BOV and wastegate, 3" turbo back with catalytic converter, bronze helical 2.6GPM oil scavenging system and secondary filter, tanabe strut tower bar, megan lowering springs

January 5th, 2012, 09:36 AM	#37 (permalink)
NitroGlisson Soon to be SC'd :) Name: Don Glisson Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GT Posts: 25,378 Rep Power: 30	Okay...I wanted to say this and get some feedback. In my opinion the DOHC in itself is not that big of an advantage. It possibly could allow the head design to have the valves tilt in a better angle for flow but a single cam provides all the same features except that. I think DOHC is synonymous with higher output motors mainly for the fact that is used on all around better motors. The DOHC is just part of that product and not the big advantage itself. __________________ Mods: Nitro's Little Girl With Attitude

January 5th, 2012, 09:38 AM	#38 (permalink)
BlueFireIce Senior Member Name: Nathan Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Houston, Texas Vehicle: 2007/GS-Auto Posts: 207 Rep Power: 1	Can you get 1k HP out of it? Sure, would anything be recognizable by the time you are done? Doubtful, you would probably be custom everything, maybe even a custom block, and by the time you are done it would not even really be the "same" motor. The cost would be so high, it would be cheaper to do a V8 (SC LS etc) motor and RWD conversion than it would be to get that kind of power out of this 4 banger, and the LS would probably still be drivable on the street.

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