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NotUrAvg4G · February 14th, 2007, 01:15 AM

Im so fed up with the constant clicking/ tapping noise the engine makes. I went to mitsu and they said it was normal. They said it was the risers but i mean shit!!

Is there anything that i can do to fix it?

Russ · February 14th, 2007, 07:31 AM

It sounds like the 6G75 uses lash adjusters as well. If the lash adjusters are the same as the 6G72/4, then you could potentially upgrade to solid lifters from BLE.

NotUrAvg4G · February 14th, 2007, 09:20 AM

will that do anything performance-wise? what information do you need to know so we can find out if these will fit? how much of a pain are these to install?

Russ · February 14th, 2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvg4G

will that do anything performance-wise? what information do you need to know so we can find out if these will fit? how much of a pain are these to install?

Dre, this is the BLE pitch:

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Made from the finest 4130 chromoly steel

Manufactured to exact OEM dimensions

Increased HP & valvetrain control at high RPM

Fully adjustable - No need for shims (even with reground camshafts)

Heat treated surface for maximum durability

Black oxide conversion coated

Available for many sport-compact applications
Our BLE Solid Lifters have specific enhancements over the factory and aftermarket hydraulic units. Only the finest 8620 Aerospace and 4130 chromoly steel is used to manufacture this product. Each assembly incorporates a fine-threaded lash adjuster, which features a radiused pivot head, built to exact OEM tolerances for use with the factory rocker arm. The lash adjuster is heat treated to increase surface hardness for maximum durability & wear resistance. It is locked in place to the lifter body using an 18-8 SS jam nut. The lifter body is cryogenically treated and its outside diameter is precision machined to match the cylinder head slot and oil passage clearances. Furthermore, the assembly is then chemically coated with black oxide for lubricity, corrosion protection, and improved wear & anti-galling characteristics.

The solid lifter conversion replaces the factory hydraulic lifters and comes with all necessary hardware for a straightforward installation. These Conversion Kits are perfect for anyone upgrading the factory valvetrain and/or camshafts in their sport compact engine.

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NotUrAvg4G · February 14th, 2007, 09:34 PM

Now to see if they will fit. What is the cost for the set?

NotUrAvg4G · February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM

So i went to the BLE website and found that they retail the set for 500+. I will do some research to find out if the 6g72 lifters are the same product numbers as the 6g75. I would think if the two engines use the same lifters than the upgrades should work accordingly. crossing fingers over here!!!

Russ · February 15th, 2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvg4G

So i went to the BLE website and found that they retail the set for 500+. I will do some research to find out if the 6g72 lifters are the same product numbers as the 6g75. I would think if the two engines use the same lifters than the upgrades should work accordingly. crossing fingers over here!!!

We can definitely get them much cheaper than that. I really wish I had a 6G75 engine to break down and make after market parts for

NotUrAvg4G · February 15th, 2007, 09:29 AM

you do have one...its on my car. you can break it down as long as you build it back up stronger and faster than before

Russ · February 15th, 2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvg4G

you do have one...its on my car. you can break it down as long as you build it back up stronger and faster than before

If you got the dollars you want to put down, I can build your engine up any way you want with whatever you want. Then just imagine that your engine would pioneer the way for all other parts

Ryu · February 15th, 2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

If you got the dollars you want to put down, I can build your engine up any way you want with whatever you want. Then just imagine that your engine would pioneer the way for all other parts

Such as the first 4G eclipse RTS kit pushing 18psi on his built engine

NotUrAvg4G · February 15th, 2007, 05:00 PM

oh to be like ryu....

NotUrAvg4G · February 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM

i've got 2.5k coming back for tax returns, im sure something can be done! I didnt even know anything was available for engine buildups for the 6g75.

Ryu · February 15th, 2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvg4G

oh to be like ryu....

Sad to say for me you would probobly be well beyond my car if you build the 6g75 right. .8L will make a big power difference. I regret not knowing about the 6g74 before I started my 6g72 build.

Russ · February 15th, 2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvg4G

i've got 2.5k coming back for tax returns, im sure something can be done! I didnt even know anything was available for engine buildups for the 6g75.

Basically if an engine exists no matter how new it is, we have all the resources to make after market part replacements for just about anything in the engine. It's just a matter of having the stock part really.

Ryu · February 15th, 2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

Basically if an engine exists no matter how new it is, we have all the resources to make after market part replacements for just about anything in the engine. It's just a matter of having the stock part really.

I can't wait to see the first FI 4g with CP pistons. Thats going to be one bad mofo.

Russ · February 15th, 2007, 08:17 PM

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I can't wait to see the first FI 4g with CP pistons. Thats going to be one bad mofo.

There is a used 4G about 3 miles down the road from me for sale at a car lot, I'm seriously considering trading my Galant or 3G in for it to get started on R&D.

Ryu · February 15th, 2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

There is a used 4G about 3 miles down the road from me for sale at a car lot, I'm seriously considering trading my Galant or 3G in for it to get started on R&D.

If I could get my hands on that, I could knock out the piping in a week.

That car can be sponsored by TPS and RTS. Imagine the possabilities. You have to keep the 3g though. If anything trade in the galant.

Slippercream · February 16th, 2007, 01:54 AM

Hrmmm... It's either you or me who's gonna have an engine built soon, Russ

Doing it on a stand though. Gonna be slooow and easy. I was even considering shipping it to someone who knows WTF they're doing with Mitsu heads - like, say, S. Africa?

Anyway, back on-topic, according to ManyBrews on C3G, consider this - we've got MIVEC. The secondary (MIVEC) lobes are free to flop around when not engaged. Read all about it in the Issues and Observations thread over there.

Russ... you think you can migrate all that to here? Like I said, it might be a good idea to just merge the 4G section of C3G with C4G.org through crosslinking.

Russ · February 16th, 2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippercream

Hrmmm... It's either you or me who's gonna have an engine built soon, Russ

Doing it on a stand though. Gonna be slooow and easy. I was even considering shipping it to someone who knows WTF they're doing with Mitsu heads - like, say, S. Africa?

Anyway, back on-topic, according to ManyBrews on C3G, consider this - we've got MIVEC. The secondary (MIVEC) lobes are free to flop around when not engaged. Read all about it in the Issues and Observations thread over there.

Russ... you think you can migrate all that to here? Like I said, it might be a good idea to just merge the 4G section of C3G with C4G.org through crosslinking.

You mean copy & paste things from there over to here? We could cross link things or just ask the contributor to repost the topic over here

Ryu · February 16th, 2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippercream

Hrmmm... It's either you or me who's gonna have an engine built soon, Russ

Doing it on a stand though. Gonna be slooow and easy. I was even considering shipping it to someone who knows WTF they're doing with Mitsu heads - like, say, S. Africa?

Anyway, back on-topic, according to ManyBrews on C3G, consider this - we've got MIVEC. The secondary (MIVEC) lobes are free to flop around when not engaged. Read all about it in the Issues and Observations thread over there.

Russ... you think you can migrate all that to here? Like I said, it might be a good idea to just merge the 4G section of C3G with C4G.org through crosslinking.

While your waiting on slow international shipping were already doing buisness with one of the best head porters in the country local.

His cridentials include working for TRD.

Russ · February 16th, 2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryu

While your waiting on slow international shipping were already doing buisness with one of the best head porters in the country local.

His cridentials include working for TRD.

If I ever had anyone that wanted a $1500 V6 head job, I'd definitely send it over to him.

Slippercream · February 17th, 2007, 11:44 AM

No shit? Hmmmm... I suppose this is the works? It's $1500 inclusive of what?

Russ · February 17th, 2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippercream

No shit? Hmmmm... I suppose this is the works? It's $1500 inclusive of what?

$1500 is just for a race port & polish job of both aluminum heads. That does not include the head refresh pricing in that either.

Ryu · February 18th, 2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

$1500 is just for a race port & polish job of both aluminum heads. That does not include the head refresh pricing in that either.

Custom oversized valves and valve springs are available as well.

Russ · February 18th, 2007, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryu

Custom oversized valves and valve springs are available as well.

I can get those through Ferrea right now, but was he providing those? I never got a straight answer from Donny where he got that stuff at.

Ryu · February 18th, 2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

I can get those through Ferrea right now, but was he providing those? I never got a straight answer from Donny where he got that stuff at.

Yes, Van provides everything for our heads except for the rpw camshafts.

Slippercream · February 18th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Does RPW have 6G75 MIVEC camshafts yet?

Arrrgh. I need to slow down a bit.

Russ · February 18th, 2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippercream

Does RPW have 6G75 MIVEC camshafts yet?

Arrrgh. I need to slow down a bit.

Not yet, although they do have 4G69 cam shafts available. Someday when I get someone's engine to build up or buy a 6G75 engine I am going to ship them the cams so they cam produce the 4 different stages of them.

Slippercream · February 18th, 2007, 03:26 PM

Ugh. I'm looking to get an engine by the summer for buildup on a stand. Unless you find a guinea pig by then, hit me up

NotUrAvg4G · February 20th, 2007, 03:02 AM

I need to get on this by then. it was a big step from the 4g64 to the 6g75 but now i want more

Slippercream · February 22nd, 2007, 11:12 PM

Be careful what you ask for, my friend... I myself am a little hesitant to do anything to modify the engine in the car. Unfortunately, there's no easy button for that

Russ · February 22nd, 2007, 11:46 PM

I talked to Dave, and he said that the 6G75 in the Galant (SOHC w/no mivec) uses the same valve train & cams as the 6G72/74. So... maybe the 6G72 kit would work for your cars. Only if I had an engine to break down... Dre

Slippercream · February 22nd, 2007, 11:50 PM

tsk-tsk :nono:

Slippercream · November 22nd, 2007, 03:13 AM

Wow. I didn't know I was thinking ahead of myself even back then. Ahh the good 'ol days when no one talked about anything but what intake to buy, where to buy em, and why it's absolutely necessary to shell out $300 to have em.

Literally nine months later, still only very few talk about the right stuff --- like building an engine.

360jeepboy · November 22nd, 2007, 11:02 AM

*Cough* *cough*

February 14th, 2007, 01:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	Stupid engine noise.... Im so fed up with the constant clicking/ tapping noise the engine makes. I went to mitsu and they said it was normal. They said it was the risers but i mean shit!! Is there anything that i can do to fix it?

November 22nd, 2007, 03:13 AM	#34 (permalink)
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Stupid engine noise....

February 14th, 2007, 07:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Russ Three Diamonds Tournaments Won: 4 Name: Russ Sanderlin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,743 Rep Power: 15	It sounds like the 6G75 uses lash adjusters as well. If the lash adjusters are the same as the 6G72/4, then you could potentially upgrade to solid lifters from BLE.

February 14th, 2007, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	will that do anything performance-wise? what information do you need to know so we can find out if these will fit? how much of a pain are these to install?

February 14th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	Now to see if they will fit. What is the cost for the set?

February 14th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	So i went to the BLE website and found that they retail the set for 500+. I will do some research to find out if the 6g72 lifters are the same product numbers as the 6g75. I would think if the two engines use the same lifters than the upgrades should work accordingly. crossing fingers over here!!!

February 15th, 2007, 09:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	you do have one...its on my car. you can break it down as long as you build it back up stronger and faster than before

February 15th, 2007, 05:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	oh to be like ryu....

February 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	i've got 2.5k coming back for tax returns, im sure something can be done! I didnt even know anything was available for engine buildups for the 6g75.

February 16th, 2007, 01:54 AM	#18 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Hrmmm... It's either you or me who's gonna have an engine built soon, Russ Doing it on a stand though. Gonna be slooow and easy. I was even considering shipping it to someone who knows WTF they're doing with Mitsu heads - like, say, S. Africa? Anyway, back on-topic, according to ManyBrews on C3G, consider this - we've got MIVEC. The secondary (MIVEC) lobes are free to flop around when not engaged. Read all about it in the Issues and Observations thread over there. Russ... you think you can migrate all that to here? Like I said, it might be a good idea to just merge the 4G section of C3G with C4G.org through crosslinking.

February 17th, 2007, 11:44 AM	#22 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	No shit? Hmmmm... I suppose this is the works? It's $1500 inclusive of what?

February 18th, 2007, 03:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Does RPW have 6G75 MIVEC camshafts yet? Arrrgh. I need to slow down a bit.

February 18th, 2007, 03:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Ugh. I'm looking to get an engine by the summer for buildup on a stand. Unless you find a guinea pig by then, hit me up

February 20th, 2007, 03:02 AM	#30 (permalink)
NotUrAvg4G Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC and KY Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 11	I need to get on this by then. it was a big step from the 4g64 to the 6g75 but now i want more

February 22nd, 2007, 11:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Be careful what you ask for, my friend... I myself am a little hesitant to do anything to modify the engine in the car. Unfortunately, there's no easy button for that

February 22nd, 2007, 11:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
Russ Three Diamonds Tournaments Won: 4 Name: Russ Sanderlin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,743 Rep Power: 15	I talked to Dave, and he said that the 6G75 in the Galant (SOHC w/no mivec) uses the same valve train & cams as the 6G72/74. So... maybe the 6G72 kit would work for your cars. Only if I had an engine to break down... Dre

February 22nd, 2007, 11:50 PM	#33 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	tsk-tsk :nono:

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