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flatlander8825 · March 10th, 2011, 04:08 PM

Hey guys, just got some new O2 spacers from RRE. "L" shaped to try to get the SES light to go away. thought id share!

flatlander8825 · March 10th, 2011, 04:11 PM

weird angles but the first picture is comparison of regular spacer, 2nd is front header and 3rd is rear header with spacers.

PopsGT · March 10th, 2011, 06:29 PM

Unless I've missed something or somebody simply hasn't shared their info of a similar setup, I think you are the first to be running with something like this. If you continue to run code free, this may be a possible option to those who are still experiencing O2 codes.

Rep for the pics.

MitEclipse07 · March 10th, 2011, 07:34 PM

yup I do believe this is a first. Keep us posted on any updates with the codes and all. Interested to know if this will finally solve all the problems with the O2's. nice pics as well.

TwilsonD7 · March 10th, 2011, 08:07 PM

Nice post but what's the resault...

flatlander8825 · March 10th, 2011, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwilsonD7

Nice post but what's the resault...

result is hopefully being code free, put my rear L spacer on the rear header and have driven about 15 miles with it...will keep updated and hopefully itll help keep the light off!

*these are available thru RRE if anyone wants to try to get their hands on some

SMeclipseGT · March 10th, 2011, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatlander8825

result is hopefully being code free, put my rear L spacer on the rear header and have driven about 15 miles with it...will keep updated and hopefully itll help keep the light off!

*these are available thru RRE if anyone wants to try to get their hands on some

Hopefully they arent like 10 dollars more than they already are lol 19 dollars for a bolt jesus christ but if this works then i guess it will be worth it

sample07 · March 11th, 2011, 07:01 AM

I'll be watching this thread too, seems like a good idea.

eclipse_6g75 · March 11th, 2011, 09:04 AM

what wrong with the SES light ?? is only a light :/

SMeclipseGT · March 11th, 2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by eclipse_6g75

what wrong with the SES light ?? is only a light :/

Not if you have to pass emissions which i do in like 3 months

TwilsonD7 · March 11th, 2011, 11:51 AM

Cause of something else goes wrong and throws another light and you still think it's just your O2 going off...

redstar666 · March 11th, 2011, 11:55 AM

subbed and repped

deprydation · March 11th, 2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SMeclipseGT

Not if you have to pass emissions which i do in like 3 months

You won't pass emissions with RRE headers anyways. They eliminate the pre-cats and you'll actually be close to gross polluter if you try to get on the machine without pre cats.

SMeclipseGT · March 11th, 2011, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprydation

You won't pass emissions with RRE headers anyways. They eliminate the pre-cats and you'll actually be close to gross polluter if you try to get on the machine without pre cats.

Well all they do here is hook you up to a machine and i guess scan for codes but thats what ive been told theres no physical check just code scanner ot w.e

flatlander8825 · March 15th, 2011, 10:14 PM

170 miles and no light! on average it only lasted about 35 miles.

b1gkishan · March 15th, 2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flatlander8825

170 miles and no light! on average it only lasted about 35 miles.

I'm def buying these when I get the chance

MitEclipse07 · March 16th, 2011, 12:21 AM

Nice glad to hear. Have you put them under WOT yet?

SMeclipseGT · March 16th, 2011, 12:38 AM

Man i should buy some of these i put close to 1k miles a month

Clovisman · March 16th, 2011, 02:03 AM

What's up with everyone getting O2 codes with headers?? I've been running code-free for four-years!!

That spacer looks way to long and your O2's will run to cold. Take your car on a long run 200+ miles and see if you don't pop a code. Another thing I don't like about those extenders, if they aren't positioned correctly (i.e. the O2 sensor needs to be at a 45* upward angle), then on short runs you will get condensation that will collect at the sensor if at the wrong angle.

Also with spacers, and depending what code you get is how you fix your spacer. If the O2 is running cold, then you just need to open the hole a little at the end of the spacer and the problem is fixed. If it is reading to high you need to pull the O2 out of the exhaust stream. Also if you didn't build your harness correctly you will always get a code.

redstar666 · March 16th, 2011, 09:51 AM

^damn i love this guy

NitroGlisson · March 16th, 2011, 09:54 AM

I am getting codes....low voltage. I have tried the ebay spacers (which worked the best about 3-4 days, then would set but clear themselves), RRE spacers (not good), and combinations of both....still codes. I now have the spark plug defowlers which JoeyB recommended but have yet to try them because I can't get one of the darn RRE spacers off. If this works...I'll sure jump on the bandwagon

I have an FIC and waiting on the harness.....going to fix this one way or the other...prefer not to use up my inputs on the FIC if possible though.

joeyb · March 16th, 2011, 03:56 PM

^yeah, I echo John on this one. I throw all kinds of codes b/c of my blower, etc. but when I was running just I/H/E I never ever threw codes. I just used the 18 mm spark plug defoulers for spacers and boom - no codes. ran clean like a virgins' honeypot.

joeyb · March 16th, 2011, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NitroGlisson

I am getting codes....low voltage. I have tried the ebay spacers (which worked the best about 3-4 days, then would set but clear themselves), RRE spacers (not good), and combinations of both....still codes. I now have the spark plug defowlers which JoeyB recommended but have yet to try them because I can't get one of the darn RRE spacers off. If this works...I'll sure jump on the bandwagon

I have an FIC and waiting on the harness.....going to fix this one way or the other...prefer not to use up my inputs on the FIC if possible though.

oh man Don you're going to have a beast once you advance the timing and get those internals in there. are you thinking NOS?

I like the idea of the l-shape though.....wish we didn't need them and this wasn't such a problem. but the defoulers worked for me, is all I can testify

Ricoswave · March 16th, 2011, 07:41 PM

Running the traditional spacer setup I am code free about 80% of the time.
Code is thrown due to variance in temp/engine load.

PolishDriver77 · March 17th, 2011, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovisman

What's up with everyone getting O2 codes with headers?? I've been running code-free for four-years!!

That spacer looks way to long and your O2's will run to cold. Take your car on a long run 200+ miles and see if you don't pop a code. Another thing I don't like about those extenders, if they aren't positioned correctly (i.e. the O2 sensor needs to be at a 45* upward angle), then on short runs you will get condensation that will collect at the sensor if at the wrong angle.

Also with spacers, and depending what code you get is how you fix your spacer. If the O2 is running cold, then you just need to open the hole a little at the end of the spacer and the problem is fixed. If it is reading to high you need to pull the O2 out of the exhaust stream. Also if you didn't build your harness correctly you will always get a code.

So then what is it if I am getting p0431, it just says Cat below threshold. And what is weird the 1st sensor with just a spacer is fine and never had a code, but this 2nd one always trips this once the car warms up and you give it some gas. Going to try to move it away with 2 spacers on top of each other.

redstar666 · March 17th, 2011, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricoswave

Running the traditional spacer setup I am code free about 80% of the time.
Code is thrown due to variance in temp/engine load.

redstar666 · March 17th, 2011, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NitroGlisson

I am getting codes....low voltage. I have tried the ebay spacers (which worked the best about 3-4 days, then would set but clear themselves), RRE spacers (not good), and combinations of both....still codes. I now have the spark plug defowlers which JoeyB recommended but have yet to try them because I can't get one of the darn RRE spacers off. If this works...I'll sure jump on the bandwagon

I have an FIC and waiting on the harness.....going to fix this one way or the other...prefer not to use up my inputs on the FIC if possible though.

ot but whats this "using up inputs" business about?

DarkSidEclipse · March 17th, 2011, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprydation

You won't pass emissions with RRE headers anyways. They eliminate the pre-cats and you'll actually be close to gross polluter if you try to get on the machine without pre cats.

Only in CA none of the other states test as stringent as CA

McClipseGT · April 27th, 2011, 03:41 PM

Any updates on the new spacers? Can't get rid of mine tried every possible configuration might have to order these if they work

MitEclipse07 · May 16th, 2011, 12:56 PM

Long overdue. How are these spacers? Any conclusion's? Should have been a decent amount of time for testing. Need to get rid of mine.

NitroGlisson · May 16th, 2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redstar666

ot but whats this "using up inputs" business about?

I have read that you could use the FIC to filter the output of either the front or rear sensors to either boost or retard the voltage to get rid of codes.

As far as RRE spacers ...the old ones did nothing either by themselves or stacked and I just had to pay to have one of them cut off my cat...to get it to seal I torqued it down and then when I tried to remove it wouldn't budge. I had to cut it out with a torch and weld new bung in.

I tried the big spacers from Ebay, RRE spacers, and the spark plug defowlers and every combination of stacking I could come up with....none of them worked.

I am running OBX long tubes with a racing cat.

This is a moot point for me now. I had a custom pre-axle dual exhaust fabricated and while it was at the shop I had them add a "real" cat that I can swap out with the racing cat. For the first time since I put on the headers I am header-related code free. I do now have a "running lean on bank one" code now but I can pass inspection with one code so I am going for it.

If anyone has a suggestion about the "running lean on bank one" code...please send me a PM.

...P.S. JoeyB....You missed out on the steak dinner for fixing my codes but I'll still buy you a hamburger for trying

PopsGT · May 16th, 2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NitroGlisson

...P.S. JoeyB....You missed out on the steak dinner for fixing my codes but I'll still buy you a hamburger for trying

joeyb · May 16th, 2011, 01:53 PM

^

well I tried. and yeah, seems the best way would be to learn to use the F/IC to control the o2 signal voltage - bias it as it says in the manual

NitroGlisson · May 16th, 2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PopsGT

Now that is a hamburger but it looks like it could feed a family of four

NitroGlisson · May 16th, 2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeyb

^

well I tried. and yeah, seems the best way would be to learn to use the F/IC to control the o2 signal voltage - bias it as it says in the manual

Please don't get me wrong...I really do appreciate your help and plan on calling again many times in the future.

flatlander8825 · September 10th, 2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitEclipse07

Long overdue. How are these spacers? Any conclusion's? Should have been a decent amount of time for testing. Need to get rid of mine.

sorry havnt got on for a while but spacers work, no ses light since ive put them in and i have put on about 4000 miles

choppertwo · September 10th, 2011, 05:40 PM

I'll let you know next week about the defoulers, putting them on Mon. Would have had them in last Mon, but didn;t have the right size wrench to get the l spacers off , so I thought what the fuck and piggybacked the defoulers on top of the l spacers LOL didn't work, so Monday is the day-- CHOP

choppertwo · October 17th, 2011, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choppertwo

I'll let you know next week about the defoulers, putting them on Mon. Would have had them in last Mon, but didn;t have the right size wrench to get the l spacers off , so I thought what the fuck and piggybacked the defoulers on top of the l spacers LOL didn't work, so Monday is the day-- CHOP

So, I did what Flatlander did, but I won't know for a couple of days if they work or not-- CHOP

flatlander8825 · October 17th, 2011, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choppertwo

So, I did what Flatlander did, but I won't know for a couple of days if they work or not-- CHOP

lemme know how they work for you man

NitroGlisson · October 17th, 2011, 12:37 PM

I'm still watching to see how this turns out

March 10th, 2011, 04:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
flatlander8825 Inspiring car tuner Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Grand Forks Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GT Posts: 137 Rep Power: 3	New "L" O2 Spacers Hey guys, just got some new O2 spacers from RRE. "L" shaped to try to get the SES light to go away. thought id share! __________________ 2009 Eclipse GT black, K&N SRI, 18% and 25% carbon tint, Ralliart Eyelids, SWIFT hide-away license, *red wire loom engine dress up, charcoal tint taillights, tanabe front tower bar, Sullivan metal racing pedals, Energy Suspension Engine Mounts, Ingall "Stiffy", RRE Headers, MSR Hyper Grey rims, Brembo Brakes, Continental Extreme DWS tires (mods to come:wet ZEX kit, tanabe lower bar, Coilovers)

March 10th, 2011, 04:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
flatlander8825 Inspiring car tuner Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Grand Forks Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GT Posts: 137 Rep Power: 3	weird angles but the first picture is comparison of regular spacer, 2nd is front header and 3rd is rear header with spacers. __________________ 2009 Eclipse GT black, K&N SRI, 18% and 25% carbon tint, Ralliart Eyelids, SWIFT hide-away license, *red wire loom engine dress up, charcoal tint taillights, tanabe front tower bar, Sullivan metal racing pedals, Energy Suspension Engine Mounts, Ingall "Stiffy", RRE Headers, MSR Hyper Grey rims, Brembo Brakes, Continental Extreme DWS tires (mods to come:wet ZEX kit, tanabe lower bar, Coilovers)

March 11th, 2011, 07:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
sample07 Diamond Dog Name: Ryan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Indianapolis Vehicle: 2007/GT/MT Posts: 771 Rep Power: 6	I'll be watching this thread too, seems like a good idea. __________________ 2007 Eclipse GT/MT ~ RRE Headers, Progress Springs, Injen CAI, Isotta Pedals, Poly Front Motor Mount, Tanabe Axle, back, TB Bypass, Rear Windshield Washer Delete, Rear Seat Delete, DRL Delete, Glowshift Gauge Pod, 6000K HID's, Centric Slotted Rotors Lowest timed run 13.984 @ 102.17mph My Garage Indycarz.com Admin

March 11th, 2011, 09:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
eclipse_6g75 OPP Name: LF Join Date: May 2009 Location: Aguada, Oeste, Puerto Rico Vehicle: 2006/eclipse/GT/Premium Posts: 372 Rep Power: 3	what wrong with the SES light ?? is only a light :/ __________________ Mods: aero kit, vision eyelids, SE spoiler, Fujita CAI, OBX LTH, magnaflow cat, magnaflow catback 2.5 exhaust, RRE motor mounts, ingalls stiffy, tints, black front,rear and roof end, oem spoiler painted matched to car, HID 10k on head, 2.5k nokyas fogs , ralliart emblems, eibach pro kit.. gun metal painted oem wheels.

March 11th, 2011, 11:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
redstar666 subtechnician(eat fresh!) Name: Nima Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto Vehicle: 07/gs Posts: 506 Rep Power: 4	subbed and repped __________________ F5CAI, RRE pully/axle-back/header/slotted rotors ceramic pads, Gt TB bp+outlaw spacer, rp 5w20, progress springs/swaybar, tanabe strut bar, 8K HID, cf engine cover, DNX5140 SOON: im spacer, ISAMU body kit , MR coilovers (waiting for spring to install)

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March 10th, 2011, 06:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
PopsGT Step Up or Step Aside Name: Patrick Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: An Indy Burb Vehicle: '09 Rave Red GT Posts: 1,268 Rep Power: 5	Unless I've missed something or somebody simply hasn't shared their info of a similar setup, I think you are the first to be running with something like this. If you continue to run code free, this may be a possible option to those who are still experiencing O2 codes. Rep for the pics.

March 10th, 2011, 07:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
MitEclipse07 Senior Member Name: Travis Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oceanside, CA Vehicle: 07 Eclipse GT Posts: 477 Rep Power: 3	yup I do believe this is a first. Keep us posted on any updates with the codes and all. Interested to know if this will finally solve all the problems with the O2's. nice pics as well.

March 10th, 2011, 08:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fl Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 4,176 Rep Power: 10	Nice post but what's the resault...

March 11th, 2011, 11:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fl Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 4,176 Rep Power: 10	Cause of something else goes wrong and throws another light and you still think it's just your O2 going off...

March 15th, 2011, 10:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
flatlander8825 Inspiring car tuner Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Grand Forks Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GT Posts: 137 Rep Power: 3	170 miles and no light! on average it only lasted about 35 miles. __________________ 2009 Eclipse GT black, K&N SRI, 18% and 25% carbon tint, Ralliart Eyelids, SWIFT hide-away license, *red wire loom engine dress up, charcoal tint taillights, tanabe front tower bar, Sullivan metal racing pedals, Energy Suspension Engine Mounts, Ingall "Stiffy", RRE Headers, MSR Hyper Grey rims, Brembo Brakes, Continental Extreme DWS tires (mods to come:wet ZEX kit, tanabe lower bar, Coilovers)

March 16th, 2011, 12:21 AM	#17 (permalink)
MitEclipse07 Senior Member Name: Travis Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oceanside, CA Vehicle: 07 Eclipse GT Posts: 477 Rep Power: 3	Nice glad to hear. Have you put them under WOT yet?

March 16th, 2011, 12:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
SMeclipseGT theBIGone Name: Luis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: South Milwaukee, Wisconsin Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GT-P Posts: 956 Rep Power: 2	Man i should buy some of these i put close to 1k miles a month __________________ The Silver Beast http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...tml#post523843

March 16th, 2011, 02:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
Clovisman Senior Member Name: John Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Clovis, NM Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT Posts: 2,045 Rep Power: 6	What's up with everyone getting O2 codes with headers?? I've been running code-free for four-years!! That spacer looks way to long and your O2's will run to cold. Take your car on a long run 200+ miles and see if you don't pop a code. Another thing I don't like about those extenders, if they aren't positioned correctly (i.e. the O2 sensor needs to be at a 45* upward angle), then on short runs you will get condensation that will collect at the sensor if at the wrong angle. Also with spacers, and depending what code you get is how you fix your spacer. If the O2 is running cold, then you just need to open the hole a little at the end of the spacer and the problem is fixed. If it is reading to high you need to pull the O2 out of the exhaust stream. Also if you didn't build your harness correctly you will always get a code. __________________ 2007 Eclipse GT=Sunset=Auto--20% Tint=Injen CAI=RIPP Long Tube Headers (Jet-Hot Coated)=RIPP High Flow Cat=RIPP BRAT Box=Magnaflow Cat Back Exhaust=Energy Motor Mounts=Ingalls Stiffy=Megan Coilover Suspension=Progress Rear Sway Bar=SP Performance Diamond Cut & Slotted Rotors=EBC Yellow Stuff Kevlar Pads=Diamond Lower Grill=Konig Illusion Wheels=BF Goodrich G-Force Super Sport Tires Last edited by Clovisman; March 16th, 2011 at 02:06 AM.

March 16th, 2011, 09:51 AM	#20 (permalink)
redstar666 subtechnician(eat fresh!) Name: Nima Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto Vehicle: 07/gs Posts: 506 Rep Power: 4	^damn i love this guy __________________ F5CAI, RRE pully/axle-back/header/slotted rotors ceramic pads, Gt TB bp+outlaw spacer, rp 5w20, progress springs/swaybar, tanabe strut bar, 8K HID, cf engine cover, DNX5140 SOON: im spacer, ISAMU body kit , MR coilovers (waiting for spring to install)

March 16th, 2011, 09:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
NitroGlisson Soon to be SC'd :) Name: Don Glisson Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GT Posts: 25,380 Rep Power: 30	I am getting codes....low voltage. I have tried the ebay spacers (which worked the best about 3-4 days, then would set but clear themselves), RRE spacers (not good), and combinations of both....still codes. I now have the spark plug defowlers which JoeyB recommended but have yet to try them because I can't get one of the darn RRE spacers off. If this works...I'll sure jump on the bandwagon I have an FIC and waiting on the harness.....going to fix this one way or the other...prefer not to use up my inputs on the FIC if possible though. __________________ Mods: Nitro's Little Girl With Attitude

March 16th, 2011, 03:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
joeyb Hard Core 4ger Name: Joe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norman, OK Vehicle: 08 Eclipse GT - SC Posts: 9,333 Rep Power: 14	^yeah, I echo John on this one. I throw all kinds of codes b/c of my blower, etc. but when I was running just I/H/E I never ever threw codes. I just used the 18 mm spark plug defoulers for spacers and boom - no codes. ran clean like a virgins' honeypot. __________________ "Has blower and many modifications." ~347 WHP / ~309 WTQ / ~6 lbs Boost

March 16th, 2011, 07:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ricoswave Lathe Master Join Date: Nov 2007 Vehicle: 05 Lancer Evolution Posts: 3,726 Rep Power: 10	Running the traditional spacer setup I am code free about 80% of the time. Code is thrown due to variance in temp/engine load. __________________ Mods: Progress Lowering Springs, Fujita CAI, Full 2.5" Stainless Exhaust, Aero Turbine 2540I Muffler, Ripp Long Tube Headers (SES Free), Dynomax High Flow Cat, Thrush Stainless Resonator, Ripp Poly Motor Mounts, Glowshift Gauge Pod and Gauges, GTech SS, Custom Glass Radiator Hose, TWM GS Short Shifter w/ custom reverse lockout, TB Bypass, Red Neon Decklid

April 27th, 2011, 03:41 PM	#29 (permalink)
McClipseGT 4g waaat you on fire for Name: Gary Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Baltimore Md Vehicle: 06/Eclipse/GT Posts: 1,616 Rep Power: 4	Any updates on the new spacers? Can't get rid of mine tried every possible configuration might have to order these if they work __________________

May 16th, 2011, 12:56 PM	#30 (permalink)
MitEclipse07 Senior Member Name: Travis Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oceanside, CA Vehicle: 07 Eclipse GT Posts: 477 Rep Power: 3	Long overdue. How are these spacers? Any conclusion's? Should have been a decent amount of time for testing. Need to get rid of mine.

May 16th, 2011, 01:53 PM	#33 (permalink)
joeyb Hard Core 4ger Name: Joe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norman, OK Vehicle: 08 Eclipse GT - SC Posts: 9,333 Rep Power: 14	^ well I tried. and yeah, seems the best way would be to learn to use the F/IC to control the o2 signal voltage - bias it as it says in the manual __________________ "Has blower and many modifications." ~347 WHP / ~309 WTQ / ~6 lbs Boost

September 10th, 2011, 05:40 PM	#37 (permalink)
choppertwo Senior Member Name: Mike Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2006 eclipse gs 5 spd Posts: 1,182 Rep Power: 4	I'll let you know next week about the defoulers, putting them on Mon. Would have had them in last Mon, but didn;t have the right size wrench to get the l spacers off , so I thought what the fuck and piggybacked the defoulers on top of the l spacers LOL didn't work, so Monday is the day-- CHOP

October 17th, 2011, 12:37 PM	#40 (permalink)
NitroGlisson Soon to be SC'd :) Name: Don Glisson Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GT Posts: 25,380 Rep Power: 30	I'm still watching to see how this turns out __________________ Mods: Nitro's Little Girl With Attitude

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