First dyno run (Stock) factory miracle? - Club4G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G Forums - 2006-2012 Eclipse Authority

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 12:46 PM

I finally got around to dyno'ing my car this week, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I did 3 runs bone stock and pulled off some good HP.

NOTE: Before I start getting flamed by everyone, yes I am all stock. I know its not likely for anyone to make this much hp to the wheels stock, but it's not impossible. And the dyno I used works, runs, and is tuned just fine, we maintain it well. Every other car we dyno makes it's projected HP with expected losses from the crank to the wheels so think what you want.

I MADE 163 HP My last run all stock!!!!
Run #1

Run #2

Run #3

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 12:53 PM

Also here are vids dont mind the vid names lol the guys i work rag on me endlessly
run#1
CORYS YELLOW MISSLE ECLIPSE DYNO RIP 163.7 RWHP - YouTube
#2
YELLOW STRIPPER RACECAR DYNO TEST 163.7 RWHP - YouTube
#3
CORY'S RACE ECLIPSE CHASSIS DYNORUN - YouTube

dejectedangle · August 25th, 2011, 01:14 PM

How much for the pulls

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:16 PM

i know i'm going to sound like an idiot here but what do you mean?

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosTactic

i know i'm going to sound like an idiot here but what do you mean?

to run on the dyno

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:22 PM

money wise?

mikes07 · August 25th, 2011, 01:23 PM

Props man! At least now it seems like mitsu didnt lie too much with the projected ratings. Did you have an exhaust fan in front? Or info on the temperature and stuff? Id love to see the gains from just a good tune

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosTactic

money wise?

yeah

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM

which brand dyno are they using

nvm

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:29 PM

I thought thats what he meant lol. It was free because I work up there after I'm out of my full time job. It's usually a couple hundred for 4 runs and any work/tuning you need while your on the dyno. And thanks mike, yeah we suet up a fan in front to keep thing kind of cool...it was like 95 that day lol.

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:32 PM

its a DYNOmite dyno

zumspeedsupra · August 25th, 2011, 01:36 PM

Still ridiculous, I'm full bolt on and your stock numbers are higher than me. WTFFFFFF but I've already ragged on you

Congrats on having a faster 4 banger stock than all of us have with bolt ons

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zumspeedsupra

Still ridiculous, I'm full bolt on and your stock numbers are higher than me. WTFFFFFF but I've already ragged on you

Congrats on having a faster 4 banger stock than all of us have with bolt ons

dont hate me rob, im sorry! haha. if its any consolation you'd kick my ass in a race not to mention your car=sex

zumspeedsupra · August 25th, 2011, 01:50 PM

If im 156whp on a dyno and your 163whp how would I win? That brand of dyno reads higher, I've been doing research my friend.

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 01:55 PM

then come to ma and dyno yours! lol
does this dyno read high or do other brands read low haha glass half full or half empty?

gspower · August 25th, 2011, 01:56 PM

yeah man, nice numbers and all. but this is impossibble, that dyno NEEDS to be reading high.

a stock GS pulls at about 130-140whp, according to your dyno, your actually 1 hp HIGHER than the projected crank HP, so you have no drivetrain loss here? yeah......

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosTactic

then come to ma and dyno yours! lol

i want to with my nitrous

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 01:58 PM

yeah i hate to be a downer but check this out
Dynojet to Dynomite dyno comparision on aj660's CTS-V coupe:

zumspeedsupra · August 25th, 2011, 02:04 PM

Yea If I dyno'd mine on that one I'd be pushing over 200 with my tune. I'm guessing they overcompensate so it reads what companys claim is to the crank. Cause 163hp is what we make to the crank, not WHP. Shit I'll make the trip to MA and throw mine on there if I have too

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

yeah man, nice numbers and all. but this is impossibble, that dyno NEEDS to be reading high.

a stock GS pulls at about 130-140whp, according to your dyno, your actually 1 hp HIGHER than the projected crank HP, so you have no drivetrain loss here? yeah......

It's not impossible just improbable
and even if its reading the 9% higher id still make high 140's on another dyno

Quote:

Originally Posted by akley88

yeah i hate to be a downer but check this out
Dynojet to Dynomite dyno comparision on aj660's CTS-V coupe:

i Believe it, and if you feel like making the trip do it haha

gspower · August 25th, 2011, 02:06 PM

imagine a full bolt on GS on this dyno, the driver would leave with a hard on

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

imagine a full bolt on GS on this dyno, the driver would leave with a hard on

and probably a messy interior hahaha

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosTactic

i Believe it, and if you feel like making the trip do it haha

id love to go to boston

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akley88

id love to go to boston

if you ever have the free time man do it its nice here when it isnt snowing

dejectedangle · August 25th, 2011, 02:26 PM

If I go up can I get free pulls... Yes I was talking money wise

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dejectedangle

If I go up can I get free pulls... Yes I was talking money wise

i could probably get you a deal but not free, i only get to do it for free cause i help him out

choppertwo · August 25th, 2011, 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=KhaosTactic;600064]I finally got around to dyno'ing my car this week, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I did 3 runs bone stock and pulled off some good HP.

NOTE: Before I start getting flamed by everyone, yes I am all stock. I know its not likely for anyone to make this much hp to the wheels stock, but it's not impossible. And the dyno I used works, runs, and is tuned just fine, we maintain it well. Every other car we dyno makes it's projected HP with expected losses from the crank to the wheels so think what you want.
Hey, sorry bud but it just doesn't add up, All the dynos We have been posting for stock GS over the last couple years( since Iv'e been on here) Have been lower, Whats up with that Dyno? I mean it sounds cool that you pulled that, BUT?? Hey I'm not ripping you I'm confused I guess-- CHOP

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 03:01 PM

[QUOTE=choppertwo;600126]

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaosTactic

I finally got around to dyno'ing my car this week, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I did 3 runs bone stock and pulled off some good HP.

NOTE: Before I start getting flamed by everyone, yes I am all stock. I know its not likely for anyone to make this much hp to the wheels stock, but it's not impossible. And the dyno I used works, runs, and is tuned just fine, we maintain it well. Every other car we dyno makes it's projected HP with expected losses from the crank to the wheels so think what you want.
Hey, sorry bud but it just doesn't add up, All the dynos We have been posting for stock GS over the last couple years( since Iv'e been on here) Have been lower, Whats up with that Dyno? I mean it sounds cool that you pulled that, BUT?? Hey I'm not ripping you I'm confused I guess-- CHOP

every dyno is a bit different, and as akley and zoom figured out that brand of dyno reads a little higher than most brands. I do know for a fact though that this specific dyno is tuned correctly regardless of the difference in brands. but hey Im happy with what I made either way and getting to do the dyno myself was a plus!

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 03:07 PM

the only thing i find weird about the dyno is that we've dyno'd plenty of other cars and 90% made what was expected with losses and all with no abnormalities. but hey its no miracle car after all lmao

zumspeedsupra · August 25th, 2011, 03:19 PM

Yea but at the end of the day you have proof... so... it is what it is

Pedro · August 25th, 2011, 03:44 PM

I'm attempting to get all the GS's to post their dynos on one thread. The more data we collect the better we can understand our cars. I posted up my stock spyder numbers and have plans to post any other dyno's I do as well. I will also list my mod's that way we have a good idea what the difference is from car to car and mod to mod. Here is the link to the thread. Please ignore the trolling in the beginning of the thread.

Dyno My Stock GS Spyder

Pedro · August 25th, 2011, 03:55 PM

Xero · August 25th, 2011, 04:01 PM

Dyno brands and types can give widely varied results.

At two separate dynos, my GTO put down 495 and 503whp respectively. I went to a car show with one of those portable dynos and I put down 589whp. There is no way I was putting down that much hp. It was calibrated incorrectly or something.

akley88 · August 25th, 2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro

I'm attempting to get all the GS's to post their dynos on one thread. The more data we collect the better we can understand our cars. I posted up my stock spyder numbers and have plans to post any other dyno's I do as well. I will also list my mod's that way we have a good idea what the difference is from car to car and mod to mod. Here is the link to the thread. Please ignore the trolling in the beginning of the thread.

Dyno My Stock GS Spyder

theres already a dyno thread that uses that setup
Dyno Queen Leaderboard.

KhaosTactic · August 25th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zumspeedsupra

Yea but at the end of the day you have proof... so... it is what it is

yeah! come use this dyno nao!

FeaRlezZ · August 25th, 2011, 05:54 PM

u kno im gonna b by there

Pedro · August 25th, 2011, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akley88

theres already a dyno thread that uses that setup
Dyno Queen Leaderboard.

Damn it I hate getting owned! Haha-thanks!

KhaosTactic · August 26th, 2011, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeaRlezZ

u kno im gonna b by there

did you ever get my text? we can do your tune while its on the dyno if you want

Pedro · August 26th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Dude thx for sharing the videos and stats I love that freaking yellow and black.

KhaosTactic · August 26th, 2011, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro

Dude thx for sharing the videos and stats I love that freaking yellow and black.

No problem man, happy I finally got around to it. There's more black to come, I'm throwing on a black factory spoiler with the third brake light and blacking out the roof. and I'll get to the rear bumper some day lol.

August 25th, 2011, 12:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	First dyno run (Stock) factory miracle? I finally got around to dyno'ing my car this week, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I did 3 runs bone stock and pulled off some good HP. NOTE: Before I start getting flamed by everyone, yes I am all stock. I know its not likely for anyone to make this much hp to the wheels stock, but it's not impossible. And the dyno I used works, runs, and is tuned just fine, we maintain it well. Every other car we dyno makes it's projected HP with expected losses from the crank to the wheels so think what you want. I MADE 163 HP My last run all stock!!!! Run #1 Run #2 Run #3 __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 12:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	Also here are vids dont mind the vid names lol the guys i work rag on me endlessly run#1 CORYS YELLOW MISSLE ECLIPSE DYNO RIP 163.7 RWHP - YouTube #2 YELLOW STRIPPER RACECAR DYNO TEST 163.7 RWHP - YouTube #3 CORY'S RACE ECLIPSE CHASSIS DYNORUN - YouTube __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 01:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
dejectedangle OWNER OF C4G Name: Rick Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Connecticut/ NY Vehicle: 2008 GT-SC Posts: 2,902 Rep Power: 6	How much for the pulls __________________ THE FIRST EVER 4G RUNNING STG 3 SUPERCHARGER TEAM BIG SUPERCHARGEERS

August 25th, 2011, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	i know i'm going to sound like an idiot here but what do you mean? __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 01:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	money wise? __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

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August 25th, 2011, 01:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
mikes07 Member Name: mike Join Date: May 2011 Location: woodbriiiiiidge Vehicle: 07/Eclipse/GS Posts: 96 Rep Power: 2	Props man! At least now it seems like mitsu didnt lie too much with the projected ratings. Did you have an exhaust fan in front? Or info on the temperature and stuff? Id love to see the gains from just a good tune

August 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
akley88 illusionperformance Name: travis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Reading, PA Vehicle: 07 eclipse gs-n Posts: 5,698 Rep Power: 7	which brand dyno are they using nvm __________________ Member of the giggle gas dark side The Fastest of the Slowest Nitrous Breathers the GS-N's 239whp/262wtq Last edited by akley88; August 25th, 2011 at 01:32 PM.

August 25th, 2011, 01:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	I thought thats what he meant lol. It was free because I work up there after I'm out of my full time job. It's usually a couple hundred for 4 runs and any work/tuning you need while your on the dyno. And thanks mike, yeah we suet up a fan in front to keep thing kind of cool...it was like 95 that day lol. __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 01:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	its a DYNOmite dyno __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 01:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
zumspeedsupra Senior Member Name: Rob Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GS Posts: 1,980 Rep Power: 4	Still ridiculous, I'm full bolt on and your stock numbers are higher than me. WTFFFFFF but I've already ragged on you Congrats on having a faster 4 banger stock than all of us have with bolt ons __________________ Boobies: Because you can't motorboat personality

August 25th, 2011, 01:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
zumspeedsupra Senior Member Name: Rob Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GS Posts: 1,980 Rep Power: 4	If im 156whp on a dyno and your 163whp how would I win? That brand of dyno reads higher, I've been doing research my friend. __________________ Boobies: Because you can't motorboat personality

August 25th, 2011, 01:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	then come to ma and dyno yours! lol does this dyno read high or do other brands read low haha glass half full or half empty? __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos. Last edited by KhaosTactic; August 25th, 2011 at 01:59 PM.

August 25th, 2011, 01:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
gspower Senior Member Name: Cesar Join Date: Oct 2010 Vehicle: 2008 Generic Veyron Posts: 1,772 Rep Power: 3	yeah man, nice numbers and all. but this is impossibble, that dyno NEEDS to be reading high. a stock GS pulls at about 130-140whp, according to your dyno, your actually 1 hp HIGHER than the projected crank HP, so you have no drivetrain loss here? yeah...... __________________ DC Sports CAI, D2 RS Coilovers, Aero Body Kit, E4E M style lip, RA eyelids, APEXi N1, 20MM Ichiba V2, Glowshift Dual Gauge Pod,Debadged, 19x8.5 Ruff Racing R930, Nexen 245/35ZR/19,10000k HID, Tinted tailights, Custom Painted Front Center And Back Center Bumper Gloss Black, Custom Painted OEM Hood, Ralliart Tower Bar, Glowshift Digital Volts/Oil Pressure Gauges http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...bombshell.html Last edited by gspower; August 25th, 2011 at 01:58 PM.

August 25th, 2011, 01:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
akley88 illusionperformance Name: travis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Reading, PA Vehicle: 07 eclipse gs-n Posts: 5,698 Rep Power: 7	yeah i hate to be a downer but check this out Dynojet to Dynomite dyno comparision on aj660's CTS-V coupe: __________________ Member of the giggle gas dark side The Fastest of the Slowest Nitrous Breathers the GS-N's 239whp/262wtq

August 25th, 2011, 02:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
zumspeedsupra Senior Member Name: Rob Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GS Posts: 1,980 Rep Power: 4	Yea If I dyno'd mine on that one I'd be pushing over 200 with my tune. I'm guessing they overcompensate so it reads what companys claim is to the crank. Cause 163hp is what we make to the crank, not WHP. Shit I'll make the trip to MA and throw mine on there if I have too __________________ Boobies: Because you can't motorboat personality

August 25th, 2011, 02:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
gspower Senior Member Name: Cesar Join Date: Oct 2010 Vehicle: 2008 Generic Veyron Posts: 1,772 Rep Power: 3	imagine a full bolt on GS on this dyno, the driver would leave with a hard on __________________ DC Sports CAI, D2 RS Coilovers, Aero Body Kit, E4E M style lip, RA eyelids, APEXi N1, 20MM Ichiba V2, Glowshift Dual Gauge Pod,Debadged, 19x8.5 Ruff Racing R930, Nexen 245/35ZR/19,10000k HID, Tinted tailights, Custom Painted Front Center And Back Center Bumper Gloss Black, Custom Painted OEM Hood, Ralliart Tower Bar, Glowshift Digital Volts/Oil Pressure Gauges http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...bombshell.html

August 25th, 2011, 02:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
dejectedangle OWNER OF C4G Name: Rick Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Connecticut/ NY Vehicle: 2008 GT-SC Posts: 2,902 Rep Power: 6	If I go up can I get free pulls... Yes I was talking money wise __________________ THE FIRST EVER 4G RUNNING STG 3 SUPERCHARGER TEAM BIG SUPERCHARGEERS

August 25th, 2011, 02:54 PM	#27 (permalink)
choppertwo Senior Member Name: Mike Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2006 eclipse gs 5 spd Posts: 1,192 Rep Power: 4	[QUOTE=KhaosTactic;600064]I finally got around to dyno'ing my car this week, and I'm extremely happy with the results. I did 3 runs bone stock and pulled off some good HP. NOTE: Before I start getting flamed by everyone, yes I am all stock. I know its not likely for anyone to make this much hp to the wheels stock, but it's not impossible. And the dyno I used works, runs, and is tuned just fine, we maintain it well. Every other car we dyno makes it's projected HP with expected losses from the crank to the wheels so think what you want. Hey, sorry bud but it just doesn't add up, All the dynos We have been posting for stock GS over the last couple years( since Iv'e been on here) Have been lower, Whats up with that Dyno? I mean it sounds cool that you pulled that, BUT?? Hey I'm not ripping you I'm confused I guess-- CHOP

August 25th, 2011, 03:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
KhaosTactic Solar Eclipse Name: Cory Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/gs Posts: 464 Rep Power: 2	the only thing i find weird about the dyno is that we've dyno'd plenty of other cars and 90% made what was expected with losses and all with no abnormalities. but hey its no miracle car after all lmao __________________ 2009 Eclipse SS-gs...SuperStock-gs Mods: Painted hood and bumper, led tail lights w/ load resistors, gloss black halos.

August 25th, 2011, 03:19 PM	#30 (permalink)
zumspeedsupra Senior Member Name: Rob Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bel Air, MD Vehicle: 2009/Eclipse/GS Posts: 1,980 Rep Power: 4	Yea but at the end of the day you have proof... so... it is what it is __________________ Boobies: Because you can't motorboat personality

August 25th, 2011, 03:44 PM	#31 (permalink)
Pedro Senior Member Name: Pete Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern California Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Spyder/GS Posts: 851 Rep Power: 3	I'm attempting to get all the GS's to post their dynos on one thread. The more data we collect the better we can understand our cars. I posted up my stock spyder numbers and have plans to post any other dyno's I do as well. I will also list my mod's that way we have a good idea what the difference is from car to car and mod to mod. Here is the link to the thread. Please ignore the trolling in the beginning of the thread. Dyno My Stock GS Spyder __________________ http://www.myspace.com/socal4g

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Pedro Senior Member Name: Pete Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern California Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Spyder/GS Posts: 851 Rep Power: 3	__________________ http://www.myspace.com/socal4g

August 25th, 2011, 04:01 PM	#33 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,247 Rep Power: 3	Dyno brands and types can give widely varied results. At two separate dynos, my GTO put down 495 and 503whp respectively. I went to a car show with one of those portable dynos and I put down 589whp. There is no way I was putting down that much hp. It was calibrated incorrectly or something. __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

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FeaRlezZ tUNED. Name: Brian Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2009 4G69 Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 4	u kno im gonna b by there __________________ AEM FIC / UEGO Wideband + POD / Custom Bolted

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Pedro Senior Member Name: Pete Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern California Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Spyder/GS Posts: 851 Rep Power: 3	Dude thx for sharing the videos and stats I love that freaking yellow and black. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/socal4g

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