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09EclipseGT · August 22nd, 2011, 08:15 PM

Okay, so for anybody watching The Car Show tonight, you'd know that the guys on their said "Mitsu was trash and the Eclipse is in the Toilet". NOT A COOL STORY BRO! lol it just pissed me off, wanted to get you guys's thoughts on the huge diss the 4g just got on SPEED.

stangcobra · August 22nd, 2011, 08:21 PM

I wouldnt call it trash and in the toilet, but the thing is that mitsubishi has been going downhill for a while, the trans on their flagship performance car is shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito, the eclipse is laughable compared to the old GSX and GSTs, in terms of both power and handling, their SUVs are walked all over by Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, and the i is going to be a huge failure.

Tl;dr: if Mitsubishi exists in 15 years I'll be really surprised, they've been going downward for the past little bit and can only get worse with the death of the eclipse.

OrangeDemon · August 22nd, 2011, 08:22 PM

You should find the episode on youtube and post a link on here, i want to see what else he said.

akley88 · August 22nd, 2011, 08:23 PM

i dont really like the show. plus the ratings are crap for the show too.

and mitsubishi wont go away they are a huge company and they rank higher in reliability then most other companys, with the exception of porsche and other japanese companies. plus mitsu sales have been up this year.

09EclipseGT · August 22nd, 2011, 08:27 PM

I bought an Eclipse because I love it and its a great car. I didnt buy it and then go, Oh wait! Now that I have this I am forced to be a fanboy. No. Its a solid car, that stands up to the comp. Its a hell of a lot better of a car than my 2010 Mustang I had. I took it offensively because they probably havent even driven a 4g

horse-eater · August 22nd, 2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangcobra

I wouldnt call it trash and in the toilet, but the thing is that mitsubishi has been going downhill for a while, the trans on their flagship performance car is shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito, the eclipse is laughable compared to the old GSX and GSTs, in terms of both power and handling, their SUVs are walked all over by Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, and the i is going to be a huge failure.

Tl;dr: if Mitsubishi exists in 15 years I'll be really surprised, they've been going downward for the past little bit and can only get worse with the death of the eclipse.

You better be careful saying that. An evo driver might hear you and call you a ricer or someThing.

deprydation · August 22nd, 2011, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stangcobra

I wouldnt call it trash and in the toilet, but the thing is that mitsubishi has been going downhill for a while, the trans on their flagship performance car is shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito, the eclipse is laughable compared to the old GSX and GSTs, in terms of both power and handling, their SUVs are walked all over by Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, and the i is going to be a huge failure.

Tl;dr: if Mitsubishi exists in 15 years I'll be really surprised, they've been going downward for the past little bit and can only get worse with the death of the eclipse.

Watch what you say when you compare the current 4G Eclipse to the 1G and 2G GS/GST/GSX.

Just so you know....a fun fact!

1st Generation
Eclipse GS DOHC: Upgraded FWD model equipped with a 135 hp (101 kW) naturally aspirated 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63A non-turbocharged variant of the 4G63T engine**
Eclipse GST: Top FWD model equipped with a 180-195 hp* turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63T engine
Eclipse GSX: AWD model equipped with a 180-195 hp* turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63T engine

2nd Generation
Eclipse GS: Equipment upgraded FWD model equipped with a 140 hp (100 kW) 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Chrysler 420A engine
Eclipse GS-T: Hardtop FWD model equipped with a 210 hp (160 kW) turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Mitsubishi 4G63 engine
Eclipse GSX: AWD model equipped with a 210 hp (160 kW) turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Mitsubishi 4G63 engine

4th Generation
Eclipse GS Sport: Base FWD model equipped with a 162 hp (121 kW) 2.4 L 16-valve 4-cylinder MIVEC Engine
Eclipse GT: Hardtop FWD model equipped with a 263 hp 3.8 L 24-valve SOHC Mitsubishi 6G75 engine, 2009–present models have 265 hp

Lets not get confused about the power issue. Trim for trim, the 4th Generation of Eclipse is a MUCH more powerful car. You simply are going with the flow on that comment about them being more powerful. Also, the 4G Eclipse is a much better stock handling car than any 1G or 2G. AWD doesn't make your handling epic. It's the suspension setup that is on it. 2G's stock have rediculous amounts of body roll and will slide all over the place if you don't watch yourself. When I got my stock 4G I didn't see that problem nearly as much due to advancements in suspension since the early/late 90's to now. Now, another thing alot of people don't understand about the 4G63, is that it's been around since the damn 1970's. Of course there is a HUGEEEEE aftermarket for it. It's been around for almost 40 damn years!

I do agree with you about the Twin Clutch SST crapmission that they are putting in the current Evolution.

Now, I wouldn't exactly say thier SUV's are junk. I believe it was the Outlander Sport that just broke like 7 World Time records for racing on snow/ice/water or something.

Mitsubishi is not just a car company. They're a MASSIVE conglomorate of smaller divisions. They wouldn't ever let thier auto division die, won't happen. Now, could I see it dwindling down ALOT more in the US. Of course, because the US just isn't a huge market for their cars. Look at the rest of the world though. Mitsubishi is a top automaker in many other places.

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Originally Posted by horse-eater

You better be careful saying that. An evo driver might hear you and call you a ricer or someThing.

I would die laughing if an Evo driver called me a ricer....

dhe_answer · August 22nd, 2011, 08:59 PM

RICER!! jk

I'm an evo driver and I admit that the SST transmission has its flaws (overheating, etc.)usually happens when you abuse it, launch often .most of it could be solved by installing aftermarket parts (cooler, clutchpack, etc.). I can't say its shitty though, it shifts smoothly and has its advantages. Bottom line I enjoy driving it.

What makes u say it's shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito? have u driven one? I don't mean to sound rude. I just want to know your reasons.

MMNA might have a weak market but that doesn't mean it'll cease to exist in 15 years. They are huge in other countries.

nokiauser · August 22nd, 2011, 09:09 PM

The Car Show is still on? Thought they were going to axe it due to terrible ratings and reviews.

jarhead0321usmc · August 22nd, 2011, 09:27 PM

Our cars hold up like a guy on PCP in accidents. What other sports cars can you completely destroy and walk away with only scratches. Overall the Eclipse is a great car, I bought it for many reasons, the look is great, the performance is good, the safety is awesome.

horse-eater · August 22nd, 2011, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprydation

Watch what you say when you compare the current 4G Eclipse to the 1G and 2G GS/GST/GSX.

Just so you know....a fun fact!

1st Generation
Eclipse GS DOHC: Upgraded FWD model equipped with a 135 hp (101 kW) naturally aspirated 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63A non-turbocharged variant of the 4G63T engine**
Eclipse GST: Top FWD model equipped with a 180-195 hp* turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63T engine
Eclipse GSX: AWD model equipped with a 180-195 hp* turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC 4G63T engine

2nd Generation
Eclipse GS: Equipment upgraded FWD model equipped with a 140 hp (100 kW) 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Chrysler 420A engine
Eclipse GS-T: Hardtop FWD model equipped with a 210 hp (160 kW) turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Mitsubishi 4G63 engine
Eclipse GSX: AWD model equipped with a 210 hp (160 kW) turbocharged 2.0 L 16-valve DOHC Mitsubishi 4G63 engine

4th Generation
Eclipse GS Sport: Base FWD model equipped with a 162 hp (121 kW) 2.4 L 16-valve 4-cylinder MIVEC Engine
Eclipse GT: Hardtop FWD model equipped with a 263 hp 3.8 L 24-valve SOHC Mitsubishi 6G75 engine, 2009–present models have 265 hp

Lets not get confused about the power issue. Trim for trim, the 4th Generation of Eclipse is a MUCH more powerful car. You simply are going with the flow on that comment about them being more powerful. Also, the 4G Eclipse is a much better stock handling car than any 1G or 2G. AWD doesn't make your handling epic. It's the suspension setup that is on it. 2G's stock have rediculous amounts of body roll and will slide all over the place if you don't watch yourself. When I got my stock 4G I didn't see that problem nearly as much due to advancements in suspension since the early/late 90's to now. Now, another thing alot of people don't understand about the 4G63, is that it's been around since the damn 1970's. Of course there is a HUGEEEEE aftermarket for it. It's been around for almost 40 damn years!

I do agree with you about the Twin Clutch SST crapmission that they are putting in the current Evolution.

Now, I wouldn't exactly say thier SUV's are junk. I believe it was the Outlander Sport that just broke like 7 World Time records for racing on snow/ice/water or something.

Mitsubishi is not just a car company. They're a MASSIVE conglomorate of smaller divisions. They wouldn't ever let thier auto division die, won't happen. Now, could I see it dwindling down ALOT more in the US. Of course, because the US just isn't a huge market for their cars. Look at the rest of the world though. Mitsubishi is a top automaker in many other places.

I would die laughing if an Evo driver called me a ricer....

How about an English racing integra on an evo forum that calls you a river for doing a burnout on request.

That was epic. I don't even know how to respond to it.

deprydation · August 22nd, 2011, 09:32 PM

Yeah, I dunno even what to say...

I don't do burnouts on request for just anyone...as much as I get called "Will Ihatemytires Brunner" at Race Legal here in San Diego...I still do enjoy my tires.

haalaj · August 22nd, 2011, 09:33 PM

I also disagree about the suv comment. Ok maybe not about the Endeavor which is outdated, especially the interior.

but the Outlander...

Decent power for the size, nice handling, one of the best awd systems, paddle shifters, a little bit better interior than the standard mitsu interiors (for the gt's anyways), nice style (imo)

I dont think theres many small suvs that can compare to the outlander for the price.

but I do own one so I am biased. And as stated Mitsubishi has been going up in sales the last couple years. But I am afraid to see whats going to happen with the loss of the eclipse, galant, endeavor, and evo.

Ricoswave · August 22nd, 2011, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horse-eater

How about an English racing integra on an evo forum that calls you a river for doing a burnout on request.

That was epic. I don't even know how to respond to it.

Unfuckingreal. What a bunch of cakeboys. I thought the peeps over there would be a bit more cordial, seems like a bunch of stuck up pricks.

horse-eater · August 22nd, 2011, 10:34 PM

Yeah without a doubt. I'm just trying not to get banned because I need those people for 2nd hand parts.

Xero · August 22nd, 2011, 10:40 PM

Don't forget about the 4g63t's infamous crank walk!

Ricoswave · August 22nd, 2011, 10:49 PM

I don't have much to loose over there, but its not like an E-war will get the point across. I'll let sleeping douchebags lie.

TrainerZak · August 23rd, 2011, 06:24 AM

Lmao, that's funny. I am extremely satisfied with my car from looks, performance, reliability, and safety, I had a wreck and this car is like a tank. Someone should let them know that they are the toilet of the speed channel and top gear(british) is dumping on them.

Chris05 · August 23rd, 2011, 07:00 AM

I saw that episode a while back (the american version of the carshow is shit IMO the british one is awesome) they said "Mitsubishi is trash down the toilet Evo's are good blah blah" I heard it got sad for a bit then was like fuck it I love my car and some snobby ass guy who can't stay in one career (Mr. Corolla) isn't going to change my mind about my 4G and I second the safety on these things. They may weigh as much as a tank but they sure hold up like one too Dammit
I<34G

HOMESLICE · August 23rd, 2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero

Don't forget about the 4g63t's infamous crank walk!

And I thought I was the only one that rememberd this. No one talks about this anymore yet crankwalk was a HUGE deal back in the day!

I can't agree more with everyone stating the 4g is the fastest eclipse ever produced from the factory, so many people overlook this because it wasn't in the Fast and the Furious like the 2g and 3g and people think the 2g was soo fast. Sure you can tune it because it was turbocharged. But technologically advanced as the mivec is, it is a pretty beast motor with a whole lot of displacement. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Plain and simple

th3 salvy_516 · August 23rd, 2011, 02:23 PM

don't forget that the new lancer SE arrives soon, all wheel drive no turbo should boost mitsu sales

JoeyC · August 23rd, 2011, 04:03 PM

i know i smoke just about all others on the street and im not nearly done with mods-so i am more then happy!

deprydation · August 24th, 2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero

Don't forget about the 4g63t's infamous crank walk!

Only in the 1995-1999 Eclipse GST/GSX did this happen due to a change in design from a 6 bolt crank to a 7 bolt crank. The extra bolt in the mix unbalanced things just too much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOMESLICE

And I thought I was the only one that rememberd this. No one talks about this anymore yet crankwalk was a HUGE deal back in the day!

I can't agree more with everyone stating the 4g is the fastest eclipse ever produced from the factory, so many people overlook this because it wasn't in the Fast and the Furious like the 2g and 3g and people think the 2g was soo fast. Sure you can tune it because it was turbocharged. But technologically advanced as the mivec is, it is a pretty beast motor with a whole lot of displacement. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Plain and simple

You're not the only one to forget crank walk. Trust me, that's whats wrong with my 2G GST in Kansas. I haven't forgot.

You're right about everything else though.

Just imagine how sales would have been had the Eclipse been RWD....

deprydation · August 24th, 2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyC

i know i smoke just about all others on the street and im not nearly done with mods-so i am more then happy!

Wanna race?

August 22nd, 2011, 08:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
09EclipseGT Speed Fanatic Name: Thomas Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tennessee Vehicle: 2003 350z Touring Posts: 173 Rep Power: 2	Eclipse is Trash? WTF did you just say Okay, so for anybody watching The Car Show tonight, you'd know that the guys on their said "Mitsu was trash and the Eclipse is in the Toilet". NOT A COOL STORY BRO! lol it just pissed me off, wanted to get you guys's thoughts on the huge diss the 4g just got on SPEED.

August 22nd, 2011, 08:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
stangcobra Has A Big Member Name: Jake Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cary NC Vehicle: 01 svt cobra Posts: 1,215 Rep Power: 3	I wouldnt call it trash and in the toilet, but the thing is that mitsubishi has been going downhill for a while, the trans on their flagship performance car is shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito, the eclipse is laughable compared to the old GSX and GSTs, in terms of both power and handling, their SUVs are walked all over by Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, and the i is going to be a huge failure. Tl;dr: if Mitsubishi exists in 15 years I'll be really surprised, they've been going downward for the past little bit and can only get worse with the death of the eclipse. __________________ http://stancerocks.tumblr.com/

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OrangeDemon Two Tone is new age Name: Jason Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Medina, Ohio Vehicle: 2006/Eclipse/GT-N Posts: 2,698 Rep Power: 4	You should find the episode on youtube and post a link on here, i want to see what else he said. __________________ http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...ons-06-gt.html

August 22nd, 2011, 08:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
akley88 illusionperformance Name: travis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Reading, PA Vehicle: 07 eclipse gs-n Posts: 5,704 Rep Power: 7	i dont really like the show. plus the ratings are crap for the show too. and mitsubishi wont go away they are a huge company and they rank higher in reliability then most other companys, with the exception of porsche and other japanese companies. plus mitsu sales have been up this year. __________________ Member of the giggle gas dark side The Fastest of the Slowest Nitrous Breathers the GS-N's 239whp/262wtq Last edited by akley88; August 22nd, 2011 at 08:26 PM.

August 22nd, 2011, 08:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
dhe_answer Senior Member Name: Mark Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD Vehicle: Phantom Black Evo X SE Posts: 695 Rep Power: 3	RICER!! jk I'm an evo driver and I admit that the SST transmission has its flaws (overheating, etc.)usually happens when you abuse it, launch often .most of it could be solved by installing aftermarket parts (cooler, clutchpack, etc.). I can't say its shitty though, it shifts smoothly and has its advantages. Bottom line I enjoy driving it. What makes u say it's shittier than a fat guy's toilet after a burrito? have u driven one? I don't mean to sound rude. I just want to know your reasons. MMNA might have a weak market but that doesn't mean it'll cease to exist in 15 years. They are huge in other countries. __________________ Mods: H.I.D to Halogen bulb swap.eyelids delete.rally stance springs.strut bar removed.CAI pipe to Airbox conversion.DRL Re-enable.Gaugepod/Gauges Delete. Weight Reduction: Removed All-Weather Mats Last edited by dhe_answer; August 22nd, 2011 at 09:09 PM.

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August 22nd, 2011, 08:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
09EclipseGT Speed Fanatic Name: Thomas Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tennessee Vehicle: 2003 350z Touring Posts: 173 Rep Power: 2	I bought an Eclipse because I love it and its a great car. I didnt buy it and then go, Oh wait! Now that I have this I am forced to be a fanboy. No. Its a solid car, that stands up to the comp. Its a hell of a lot better of a car than my 2010 Mustang I had. I took it offensively because they probably havent even driven a 4g

August 22nd, 2011, 09:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
nokiauser Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Vehicle: Eclipse GS 5 Speed Posts: 664 Rep Power: 1	The Car Show is still on? Thought they were going to axe it due to terrible ratings and reviews.

August 22nd, 2011, 09:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
jarhead0321usmc Celer, Silens, Mortalis Name: Rob Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Maine Vehicle: 2006 GT Posts: 1,041 Rep Power: 3	Our cars hold up like a guy on PCP in accidents. What other sports cars can you completely destroy and walk away with only scratches. Overall the Eclipse is a great car, I bought it for many reasons, the look is great, the performance is good, the safety is awesome. __________________ "If you teabag someone with a nut allergy is that attempted murder?" -J Chris Newberg

August 22nd, 2011, 09:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
haalaj Member Name: Jeremy Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Vehicle: 2006 GT & GS Posts: 69 Rep Power: 2	I also disagree about the suv comment. Ok maybe not about the Endeavor which is outdated, especially the interior. but the Outlander... Decent power for the size, nice handling, one of the best awd systems, paddle shifters, a little bit better interior than the standard mitsu interiors (for the gt's anyways), nice style (imo) I dont think theres many small suvs that can compare to the outlander for the price. but I do own one so I am biased. And as stated Mitsubishi has been going up in sales the last couple years. But I am afraid to see whats going to happen with the loss of the eclipse, galant, endeavor, and evo. __________________

August 22nd, 2011, 10:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
horse-eater The O.G. Join Date: May 2007 Location: The earth Vehicle: 2006 eclipse GT-TT Posts: 5,004 Rep Power: 19	Yeah without a doubt. I'm just trying not to get banned because I need those people for 2nd hand parts. __________________ Under construction! Converting to single turbo, more to come! Twin Turbo- 338whp/311tq@4psi - Mustang dyno, courtesy PIA in Spanaway, WA. Panty dropping ability courtesy Forward Motion, Road///RaceEngineering, BrianJ, Delta Cams, Custom Import Heads

August 22nd, 2011, 10:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Xero Elitist Prick Name: Jason Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cincinnati Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse GS Posts: 1,247 Rep Power: 3	Don't forget about the 4g63t's infamous crank walk! __________________ RRE UPD, Custom Exhaust, CAI, Megan Racing Springs, Ralco Short Shifter, Eibach Rear Sway, HID Projectors, LED Tails, AIC CF Hood, Vortex Generators, Rear Seat Delete, Grillecraft Grille, Big Cock

August 22nd, 2011, 10:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ricoswave Lathe Master Join Date: Nov 2007 Vehicle: 05 Lancer Evolution Posts: 3,726 Rep Power: 10	I don't have much to loose over there, but its not like an E-war will get the point across. I'll let sleeping douchebags lie. __________________ Mods: Progress Lowering Springs, Fujita CAI, Full 2.5" Stainless Exhaust, Aero Turbine 2540I Muffler, Ripp Long Tube Headers (SES Free), Dynomax High Flow Cat, Thrush Stainless Resonator, Ripp Poly Motor Mounts, Glowshift Gauge Pod and Gauges, GTech SS, Custom Glass Radiator Hose, TWM GS Short Shifter w/ custom reverse lockout, TB Bypass, Red Neon Decklid

August 23rd, 2011, 06:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
TrainerZak Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse Gt Posts: 150 Rep Power: 2	Lmao, that's funny. I am extremely satisfied with my car from looks, performance, reliability, and safety, I had a wreck and this car is like a tank. Someone should let them know that they are the toilet of the speed channel and top gear(british) is dumping on them.

August 23rd, 2011, 02:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
th3 salvy_516 Senior Member Name: Jorge Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: long island Vehicle: 2011/Eclipse/OZ Rally Posts: 701 Rep Power: 2	don't forget that the new lancer SE arrives soon, all wheel drive no turbo should boost mitsu sales __________________ Some say if you tune your radio to 88.4, you can actually hear his thoughts... all we know is, he's called the Stig.

August 23rd, 2011, 04:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
JoeyC -cruzer- Name: joeyc Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: AZ Vehicle: 2006 ECLIPSE GT Posts: 1,579 Rep Power: 3	i know i smoke just about all others on the street and im not nearly done with mods-so i am more then happy! __________________

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