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Old December 30th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Turbo Charging a 3.8 MIVEC...

Does anyone out there really have any experience installing a turbo on a non-turbo 07 GT? I have expired with Jetta and an old school Monte Carlo. These cars showed much improved power and have many miles driven with out an issue.

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Horse Eater has the only v6 4g with turbo. He has twins though.
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Road Race Engineering also has a turbo GT but theirs is a single/rear mount turbo. Both Carl (Horse Eater) and RRE are using the AEM FIC to control the engine (last time i checked anyways).

The requirements are pretty straight forward if all you want is low boost (3-10 psi) which are:

Fuel Injectors (WRX injectors will work) and harness
Fuel pump
AEM FIC (with BrianJ's harness)
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Turbo and manifold(s)
a ton of piping (depending on which application you choose of course)
and a shop with the TIME AND PATIENCE to help you put it all together

Depending on who you know and what you can find, expect to spend between $3000 and $6000 (and thats just to get it driveable). You'll also need to be able to put the power to the ground (i.e. clutch and limited slip differential) that's another $2500 easy and that doesnt include installation, and the stock motormounts cant take the power either and have to be replaced.

Not trying to be a downer, cause the payoff in sheer power and performance is HUGE, but the amount of time and money involved is also huge.

This topic has been discussed a LOT over the years so use the search button and see what you can find
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I also seen the twin turbo v6 which is very impressive considering how tight the v6 is to work with as far as space. Im guessing you guys would have to go with smaller turbos to fit. Turbocharging any na car is a hell of a job.
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Its funny that you say that space would be tight. My buddy and I were just saying how difficult the Jetta was to install due to space. The Eclipse seems to have WAY more space to work with... Your thoughts?
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Just so you know we have a Forced Induction section just for topics like this.

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As far as the space for the turbos goes on a twin setup, the front turbo has plenty of space but fitting the rear turbo AND piping is a pain and requires some ingenuity to get it all to fit back there.

The size of the turbos for a twin setup can be smaller than a single setup with no power issues due to the fact that there are 2 of them instead of just 1. I have seen 16g turbos from stock EVO's used very effectively with this setup and due to the fairly large displacement of our motor (3.8L) splitting the number in half means 1.9L going to each turbo which is very close to the of the 2.0L that they normally recieve in an EVO which translates to little to no turbo lag and HUGE power increases from 3000rpm to redline.

Dont be fooled though, getting these turbos to work requires more than just bolting them to some custom manifolds and running piping. The turbos require some work before they can be installed (ie. welding the internal waste gates etc.)

IMO a single turbo setup is MUCH easier to install but the choice is yours.


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I think a single rear mounted turbo would be the way to go
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it is, as long as you have a way to pump oil to and from the turbo fast enough.
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So why would you mount a single turbo on the BACK of the engine rather than (what seems to be an easier install0 in the front? Wouldn't that make it that much smoother of an install?
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So why would you mount a single turbo on the BACK of the engine rather than (what seems to be an easier install0 in the front? Wouldn't that make it that much smoother of an install?
rear mounted turbo means rear of the car... like back by the rear tires. google it.
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there's no need for another thread about this. there's already far too many. and more than enough info to realize that unless you have a very large amount of time and money. and knowledge. and friends. and more time. putting a turbo on the 3.8 is not a good idea.
we win the prize for the biggest bitch to tune.
a hand full of members may tell you its possible and worth it.
but the bottom line is. there will soon be a production supercharger with correct tuning support on the market.

if you have the resources for a turbo build. go ahead. if you want a quick set up and no headaches. just wait.
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rear mounted turbo means rear of the car... like back by the rear tires. google it.
and i have all the respect in the world for what youve done. but you have to admit it isnt for everyone.
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oh no, i totally agree. if jason wouldn't have humored my crazy fucking idea, i would have never done it and went with cams/nitrous.

but im glad its done because good luck following.
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No need fule pump stock holds up fine I'm running 565cc wrx injectors with 10 psi no fuel problem
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^really? damn...when I was on the dyno, they told me my fuel pump couldn't handle it - maybe it could w/ new injectors...I was running the 305cc stock ones.

you don't have a fuel pressure regulator do you, dejected? I am looking into adding one, as I seem to constantly throw codes that say fuel pressure could be the cause...I may have jacked my pressure up when I "T'ed" into the fuel line to get fuel to the supplemental injectors that come with the stage 2 kit. I have since stopped using them and repaired the fuel line back to stock...but I am paranoid that I have a problem there, and am thinking a regulator will help me eliminate that possibility....if I get one I'll redo any lines I can with stainless steel, if it's not too expensive or too much of a hassle.
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^^^ I'm confused. The only reason you'd need a regulator is if your stock regulator isn't working and it's allowing the pump to produce too much pressure...but I'm not seeing how adding a "t" at one point would have affected that...???
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Stock fuel system is good for 400whp. If tuned properlyyyyyyyy
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^^^ I'm confused. The only reason you'd need a regulator is if your stock regulator isn't working and it's allowing the pump to produce too much pressure...but I'm not seeing how adding a "t" at one point would have affected that...???
Hm I was under the impression we didn't have a standard regulator - not like most cars, right? it's in the tank, or something? well if I don't need it then I won't get it. and I hope you are right about the 't' not affecting it - doesn't seem like it should...
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sure wish I could get mine to work - I kept leaning out on the dyno at the top end....too much air from the blower..?
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I've never had one out, but I'm sure it's got the regulator built into the pump module itself...bikes use the same thing, returnless fuel system. The pump itself is capable of higher pressures, but once it gets to whatever the built in regulator is designed for the regulator opens and dumps the excess fuel right back into the tank. If the regulator was stuck open it wouldn't build pressure...if it was stuck closed it would build MORE pressure and you wouldn't be starving for fuel.

Seems like youre just running out of pump volume...??? Maybe there's something wrong with the pump itself?
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I've been in contact with someone who wants his turbo GT tuned and he found his fuel pressure dropped on the dyno which pointed to a better fuel pump which he installed and it fixed that problem. I believe I will see the car this spring and will probably know what's up with it for sure. For the $125 or so a wally 255 costs it might be worthwhile rather than stressing the factory pump and running the risk of it leaning you out sometime later.

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I don't think there's one that fits our canister is there?
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yeah... who ever is telling you that your fuel pump is fine is retarded... the thing shits out at pretty quick.

look for a used Evo X fuel pump and youll be fine.

even with mine at like 4psi on the turbos, the fuel pump was already not giving enough on the top end.
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What fuel pump do you run?

People say 400whp on stock fuel system, not the stock injectors also?
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I think the bigger concern is the pistons right now. I wouldn't fuck with boost without forged pistons. Unless you have a crate motor in you're back pocket.
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I think the bigger concern is the pistons right now. I wouldn't fuck with boost without forged pistons. Unless you have a crate motor in you're back pocket.
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I'm retarded but I'm doing it.... getting to 10 afr's on stock pump with 565 at 11 psi
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I'm retarded but I'm doing it.... getting to 10 afr's on stock pump with 565 at 11 psi
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Nah, I'm weirded out about my car right now, my fuel pressure is fluxuating between 48 psi to 62 psi during normal operation. Car runs rich as fuck though even when I'm at high rpm. A buddy of mine was behind me and said I threw a small fireball out the tail shifting gears at WOT. I'm still on stock injectors and stock fuel pump...

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