Why dont you supercharger guys put on FM Intercoolers??

TwilsonD7 · September 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM

Everyone drools over COBB's supercharger kit and they have a intercooler so why doesn't even slap one on? I'm just curious because I'm going to and wondering why no one else has. Yeah RIPP methanol cooler cools the temp down but you can use them both and be even cooler....If you're worried about losing boost then just up the boost to the level to compensate the amount lost by adding an intercooler...

360jeepboy · September 19th, 2008, 12:54 PM

It's harder said then done... You will have to reposition the supercharger and I'm not sure the supercharger that RIPP uses can be turned around. (maybe it can who knows) but the supercharger that COBB used is more compacted and can be moved around.

360jeepboy · September 19th, 2008, 12:57 PM

I mean easier said then done... lol

TwilsonD7 · September 19th, 2008, 01:05 PM

Besides having room im talking performance wise. I have one guy telling me that ripp says its adds to much stress to the supercharger that may ruin it and that you'll lose HP. Fitments not an issues. you can bend pipe and run it anywhere you want. I just want to know if its going to mess anything up...

psy-q · September 19th, 2008, 01:22 PM

I think ripp skips it simply to keep the price down. If you do the math that SUS kit per part is hella expensive. Turbos have way more individual parts.

TwilsonD7 · September 19th, 2008, 01:34 PM

so are you saying there's no reason why it cant be done....The guy who has the kit and has talk to RIPP says its not good for it and its not effective. It strains the supercharger and loses power...any thoughts?

psy-q · September 19th, 2008, 01:38 PM

could be since the SC has to mechanically pump air through the intercooler system were a turbo free flows. sounds sketchy though.

TwilsonD7 · September 19th, 2008, 01:58 PM

Ive seen 350Z's Mustangs, Vettes all with vortoex superchargers and intercoolers...why not eclipses

horse-eater · September 19th, 2008, 03:37 PM

the vortec doesnt blow hard enough. they have tested it, and even with higher "psi" increases "cfm's" still arent enough and the air becomes unstable and does weird things, seeing little or no gains, certainly not a justification to the price.

and like jeep said, its a ton of extra piping and just doesnt work right.

Drewfus32 · September 19th, 2008, 06:16 PM

the intercooler isnt gonna do anything more its gonna take up space and power and money. i wouldnt bother unless u wanna take ur bumper off and look cool with an intercooler up front

TwilsonD7 · September 20th, 2008, 09:53 PM

But ill ask again..Z's Stanges and Vettes all have vorte with front mounts why not an eclipse. I understand all that is being said but at the same time there are other cars that have them so why not ours? From some things im reading about supercharger and the things im limited to by using a supercharger I just may und up building another custom turbo kit...any one know what PSI the two RIPP kits are using at stage one and two?

ROOKIE1 · September 20th, 2008, 10:12 PM

Superchargers usually work by belt drive . Turbos by exhaust gas (recirculation) . Both cases compressed are gets hotter , but with a turbo you are recirculating exhaust or already hot air . So cooling is more needed with the turbo .

But it would be beneficial in both applications . Just necassary with the turbo . But consider the cost versus gain factor involved .

TwilsonD7 · September 20th, 2008, 11:00 PM

Cost and fitment arent an issuse. I have 3 threads about this and now you are the only one saying that it can be done and will be benefical when everyone is saying its not going to do anything performance wise but make it worse and lose power and its even going to put more stress on the supercharger and ruin it...

ROOKIE1 · September 20th, 2008, 11:40 PM

The only way I see it maybe adding stress is that you increase the distance it has to move the air . The bottom line , I think/thought , is that the lower the intake temps the better .

dc5jimbo · September 20th, 2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TwilsonD7

Ive seen 350Z's Mustangs, Vettes all with vortoex superchargers and intercoolers...why not eclipses

cuz mustang's and 350 what ever's dont have mivec duhhh

michow · September 21st, 2008, 05:41 AM

sorry to go OT, but when are we going to see some 1/4 times from the SDS owners. just curious to see how they perform

TwilsonD7 · September 21st, 2008, 07:15 AM

All I'm asking is will it affact the supercharger??? Variable timing fitment money all have nothing to do with it. Im asking why can other cars' vortex handle a front mount and ours can't???

da1nonly · September 21st, 2008, 08:24 AM

call ripp and find out

September 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	Why dont you supercharger guys put on FM Intercoolers?? Everyone drools over COBB's supercharger kit and they have a intercooler so why doesn't even slap one on? I'm just curious because I'm going to and wondering why no one else has. Yeah RIPP methanol cooler cools the temp down but you can use them both and be even cooler....If you're worried about losing boost then just up the boost to the level to compensate the amount lost by adding an intercooler...

September 19th, 2008, 12:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 3,625 Rep Power: 20	It's harder said then done... You will have to reposition the supercharger and I'm not sure the supercharger that RIPP uses can be turned around. (maybe it can who knows) but the supercharger that COBB used is more compacted and can be moved around. __________________ Engine Mods RRE headers,RRE axleback,Test pipe,AEM CAI,TB bypass,ported intake manifold,AEM FIC, Outlaw Engineering intake spacers, PF throttle body Suspension/brake Mods Progress Springs,Progress sway bar,Brembo brake upgrade,Stop Tech rotors Stuff just for looks Vision style eyelids,MR badges,G35 wheels Soon to come RPW stage2 cams,50-75shot of spray,stage2 clutch, P&P head/ or Cobb supercharger kit!!

September 19th, 2008, 12:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 3,625 Rep Power: 20	I mean easier said then done... lol __________________ Engine Mods RRE headers,RRE axleback,Test pipe,AEM CAI,TB bypass,ported intake manifold,AEM FIC, Outlaw Engineering intake spacers, PF throttle body Suspension/brake Mods Progress Springs,Progress sway bar,Brembo brake upgrade,Stop Tech rotors Stuff just for looks Vision style eyelids,MR badges,G35 wheels Soon to come RPW stage2 cams,50-75shot of spray,stage2 clutch, P&P head/ or Cobb supercharger kit!!

September 19th, 2008, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
psy-q Time for a sexy party Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT-P Posts: 1,448 Rep Power: 6	I think ripp skips it simply to keep the price down. If you do the math that SUS kit per part is hella expensive. Turbos have way more individual parts. __________________ Quality provider of condescension, superciliousness and ostentation since 1981 "Banned from .com" club member Wise Words

September 19th, 2008, 01:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	so are you saying there's no reason why it cant be done....The guy who has the kit and has talk to RIPP says its not good for it and its not effective. It strains the supercharger and loses power...any thoughts? Last edited by TwilsonD7 : September 19th, 2008 at 01:37 PM.

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Why dont you supercharger guys put on FM Intercoolers??

September 19th, 2008, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	Besides having room im talking performance wise. I have one guy telling me that ripp says its adds to much stress to the supercharger that may ruin it and that you'll lose HP. Fitments not an issues. you can bend pipe and run it anywhere you want. I just want to know if its going to mess anything up...

September 19th, 2008, 01:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
psy-q Time for a sexy party Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT-P Posts: 1,448 Rep Power: 6	could be since the SC has to mechanically pump air through the intercooler system were a turbo free flows. sounds sketchy though. __________________ Quality provider of condescension, superciliousness and ostentation since 1981 "Banned from .com" club member Wise Words

September 19th, 2008, 01:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	Ive seen 350Z's Mustangs, Vettes all with vortoex superchargers and intercoolers...why not eclipses

September 19th, 2008, 03:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
horse-eater The O.G. Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,398 Rep Power: 12	the vortec doesnt blow hard enough. they have tested it, and even with higher "psi" increases "cfm's" still arent enough and the air becomes unstable and does weird things, seeing little or no gains, certainly not a justification to the price. and like jeep said, its a ton of extra piping and just doesnt work right. __________________ 290whp/270wtq untuned, all motor. Panty dropping ability courtesy Road///RaceEngineering, BrianJ, >>>**AND**<<< my very tolerant wife.

September 19th, 2008, 06:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Drewfus32 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kennett Square, PA Vehicle: 06' Eclipse GT 6Speed m/t Posts: 43 Rep Power: 1	the intercooler isnt gonna do anything more its gonna take up space and power and money. i wouldnt bother unless u wanna take ur bumper off and look cool with an intercooler up front __________________ Drewfus 06' Manual GT

September 20th, 2008, 09:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	But ill ask again..Z's Stanges and Vettes all have vorte with front mounts why not an eclipse. I understand all that is being said but at the same time there are other cars that have them so why not ours? From some things im reading about supercharger and the things im limited to by using a supercharger I just may und up building another custom turbo kit...any one know what PSI the two RIPP kits are using at stage one and two?

September 20th, 2008, 10:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
ROOKIE1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Walton , Ky. Vehicle: 2007 ECLIPSE SPYDER GT Posts: 357 Rep Power: 25	Superchargers usually work by belt drive . Turbos by exhaust gas (recirculation) . Both cases compressed are gets hotter , but with a turbo you are recirculating exhaust or already hot air . So cooling is more needed with the turbo . But it would be beneficial in both applications . Just necassary with the turbo . But consider the cost versus gain factor involved .

September 20th, 2008, 11:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	Cost and fitment arent an issuse. I have 3 threads about this and now you are the only one saying that it can be done and will be benefical when everyone is saying its not going to do anything performance wise but make it worse and lose power and its even going to put more stress on the supercharger and ruin it...

September 20th, 2008, 11:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
ROOKIE1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Walton , Ky. Vehicle: 2007 ECLIPSE SPYDER GT Posts: 357 Rep Power: 25	The only way I see it maybe adding stress is that you increase the distance it has to move the air . The bottom line , I think/thought , is that the lower the intake temps the better .

September 21st, 2008, 05:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
michow Legit Member Join Date: May 2008 Vehicle: 07 Eclipse GT Posts: 644 Rep Power: 11	sorry to go OT, but when are we going to see some 1/4 times from the SDS owners. just curious to see how they perform __________________ Mods: Progress Springs, AEM CAI

September 21st, 2008, 07:15 AM	#17 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 249 Rep Power: 2	All I'm asking is will it affact the supercharger??? Variable timing fitment money all have nothing to do with it. Im asking why can other cars' vortex handle a front mount and ours can't???

September 21st, 2008, 08:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
da1nonly Da1NoNlY Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NeW jErZ Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT Posts: 196 Rep Power: 2	call ripp and find out