Looking for a turbo kit test fitter

[FLGTeclipse]

i under stand what 1armdriver but this is the way i look at it if there was no one takeing a chance giving up there car they would be no aftermarket parts out for any car its a chance you going to have to take ....plus i dont think there going to put that much boost that it blow ur motor RIPP claim to be running 8 PSI on the stage too no problem ...so if USCPerformance decide to run 5 psi i think are motor will be fine ...you have to take chances in life

[bmshue51]

ughhh why isnt there a turbo kit for the 4G... I need one for my SE...

[FLGTeclipse]

is ur se a GS or GT

[1armdriver]

I'm not so narrow minded that I don't get what y'all are saying but I'm just stating that taking someone’s brand new Eclipse just to fiddle around with just for the sake of fiddling is just not my style. If they had a tested set up ready to put on then yes I would be willing to give up my car and the cash for it. But I just couldn't see ME giving my car AND $4k to test on. I paid cash money for my 07. Bought and paid for. It would like me asking for $30k from you plus $4k to see if you could out run an Olympic sprinter in the 40. You might be able to but you also might hurt yourself in the process. Bad analogy I know but you get what I'm trying to say.

As far as me being afraid to take risks I'm not afraid. But when it comes to money I want guaranteed assurance that I'm not going to take it in the pooper.

When I used GReddy as an example that is all it was, an example. But they have done it already for a 4gen and if they came out with a kit I would put down the money in a min for one. If these guys perfect one I'll put down the money in a min for it as well.

I know they aren't forcing anyone to put down the money JB4G but I just wanted to state my piece before some 17yr old cons mommy or daddy out of 4 big ones just because someone said turbo and Eclipse in the same sentence. These threads are to pass on knowledge and that is all I'm trying to do so someone doesn't get burned unnecessarily. I don't care what kind of rep these guys have either it still happens.

[FLGTeclipse]

well if i go FI i will have it custom made by the shop by me and i will be there ever step of the way it a good 2 min drive from ym house i trust him with tuning and custom turbo work of the car and if the motor blow i think he would help me get a new on in the car np...he back up all of his work if something gooes wrong he fixes it if he cant hell get u a new one that the type of buisness he run and it not UCSPerformance...it a local shop near me USP

[UCSPerformance]

1armdriver: I really don't understand what is causing you to come off as you are but hey you are entitled to your opinion. The fact of the matter is that I've built a reputation over 5 years and to date I have not had ONE unsatisfied customer. I understand and respect your concerns but honestly you are not in ANY position to dictate ANYTHING to me.

Let me point the facts out to you. You own a vehicle that is a bastard. The only company who has built anything that is truly performance related for the 4G (and believe me I use that term very loosely with this company) is Ripp. Greddy might have built a kit for their SEMA show car but that was it. It was a proof in concept and it will NEVER see the light of day. Why? Quite simply there aren't enough people willing to do it and spend the money on it. The economics for Greddy just don't add up. The only reason Ripp builds stuff for this car is because they know that NO ONE ELSE has. There is a demand where a small company can make money moving product, even if the product is as shitty as the SDS. It happened with the 3G and now it's happening with the 4G. The 4G market is quite simply a niche market. Being a niche market, asking for a test fitter is not unheard of. Small companies don't have the financial capital to purchase every car they plan on making parts for. The only way they can do it is with the help of someone who owns the car in question. The person who steps up to the plate ends up benefiting from the relationship. They get the kit at cost (substantially less than the retail price), they get a free install, free tuning and other various perks.

So you can go run your mouth all you want but I want you to realize that what makes a successful company is knowing WHO to use as your test fitter. A 17 year old kid using daddy's money is NOT who we look for. Individuals must have a second car, they use their own money, and quite honestly they have to have the right attitude. Being a test fitter takes time and patience and we look for individuals who have those qualities.

In regards to us blowing the car up... Well that can happen. I can honestly say that we have NEVER blown a car up but when you enter the performance arena you better damn be aware that trying to make a stock motor perform in excess of 50% greater than designed can cause things to break. People who get greedy and abuse their cars are more likely to break things than those who are cautious and treat their cars to some TLC. The 4G is NOT a sports car. It is a vehicle targeted at the 20-30 something who want a relatively sporty vehicle that has good looks and creature comforts. If you guys truly wanted a sports car you would have bought an EVO or a Vette or something similar. That being stated, we all want more power but you have to be realistic in your goals and understand the risks of trying to get there.

I hope that clears it up and I don't have to respond with a rebuttal, but I have a feeling I will and then my old self will have to make itself apparent and I've tried so hard to change.

[XFactor]

I would seriously consider stepping up as the GT fitter, but I live too far away for it. I would want to be able to come and physically check up and see how its going, and living in MN it would be a lot of plane tickets.

I like what you are doing and I like the direction you are going UCS, I just wanted to voice my support in lieu of all this drama.

[1armdriver]

Originally Posted by UCSPerformance

I hope that clears it up and I don't have to respond with a rebuttal, but I have a feeling I will and then my old self will have to make itself apparent and I've tried so hard to change.

You are damn right I'm goming back with some more of my two cents after you came off like you did. You can read this, ignore it, or as you put it "make your old self apparent" for all I care.

Originally Posted by UCSPerformance

I understand and respect your concerns but honestly you are not in ANY position to dictate ANYTHING to me.

I never once attacked your business or said that you did shoddy work. I DAMN well never tried to dictate ANYTHING to you. I’m not going to get into some childish bickering back in forth with ANYONE on here. I was just pointing out the flip side of the coin.

Originally Posted by UCSPerformance

Let me point the facts out to you. You own a vehicle that is a bastard

I got it the 4g Eclipse and the whole Mitsubishi line up (minus the EVO) for that matter does not get the attention they should. If you’re not in a STI, EVO, S2K, RX7 or 8, or even a Supra you don’t get the cool toys to play with. Flip open any mag or web sight and those are probably one of the cars that have been done up. I get it. I was a little presumptuous to think that GReddy would put out a kit. I know no big company is going to fork out a product that they think wont sell. Is it fair? No. They don’t really know what the market is. Big companies still live on the idea of “Win on Sunday. Sell on Monday” And no one races Eclipses for sponsors or anything. Hell they are still putting out stuff for the damn 240SX and they quite making that car in 98. I respect what you do and to tell the truth I wish I could do it myself. Like I said before…

Originally Posted by 1armdriver

Maybe the real thing that gets me is the fact that you are asking for $4k for the work.

$4k just seems a little steep to me so you can try something out that is going to over all benefit your business. I don't know maybe I'm just trying to Jew you down.

Originally Posted by UCSPerformance

So you can go run your mouth all you want...

I don’t know why you think I’m running my mouth but I tell you what. If you are a business that is so picky about whose car you would choose to test on and you wouldn’t just take the first person that showed up with a fist full of money you would be the first. It seems to me from a business point of view if you are so picky about who your clientele is then you obviously aren’t making any money.

Originally Posted by UCSPerformance

In regards to us blowing the car up... Well that can happen.

See that quote right there is what I was talking about. It CAN happen. Have you ever done it? NO, but there is always the first time for everything. When you are messing around in something new something can always go wrong. This whole process of putting a new turbo set up on a new car does seem pretty easy and damn near idiot proof if you know what you are doing and I have no doubts that you know what you are doing. I just stated those thoughts to let anyone who was interrested in you little venture know the risks. I don't know you from Adam and unless there is someone out there who does know you very well with a 4g Eclipse then I think it would be foolish to trust you with their car to just "TEST' on. Your web sight (whitch in this day and age) should be your true calling card has nothing more than a little pic of a torn down Vette and a boosted Stratus (I guess you did that one just to see if you could) I think people should question what they might be getting.
I hope it works out for you and after you get the bugs worked out I know your product will be better than anything from RIPP. Also good to know that I could get under your skin and get you all worked up.Take it for what it is worth. back at ya.

[Kilzod]

:shrug: Greg is an upstanding member, he's made a great reputation for himself wherever he makes himself known with his great products and excellent customer service.

$4000 is about the cost of the parts alone, not sure if you ever researched building a kit for yourself. IF(!) GReddy EVER made a kit for us, the kit alone would more than likely be close to $9000-10000.

Also, how do you think the larger companies create product for us? They either buy the car if they can, but most usually won't, or they will go out into the community and ask for test fitters. It's all the same thing. And trust me, Greg does good work. I'd trust him with my car without a problem. Now if anyone wants to send me $4000 so I can get this test fit done...

As to your comment about knowing the risks, most people who peruse these types of forums GENERALLY (not always) know what happens when you add modifications to your car. I know I research the shit out of products before I buy to know how they work, I can only assume most people would do the same before they put something on their car.

Not trying to start anything with you 1armdriver either, by the way. I don't like forum bickering.

EDIT: Sorry about that; I didn't mean the kit itself would be that much, I meant after install, tune, test, IC/piping, etc.

[1armdriver]

I don't know what another big company would do to test their product but I would be willing to bet they wouldn't charge full price for the test car. I have fooled with turbo cars before. My last was a 2000 lude with a bolt on turbonetics kit. I paid $4500 for a new kit with intercooler, tial wg, blitz bov, new injectors, and management. That was from the factory not a crack head. Now if Greg offered all that with tunning on the test car and a guarentee of no mishaps then I would be at the shop tomorrow with money in hand. Not that he would have me now but that is beside the point.

I have said before I'm sure he is a great guy and I'm sure he knows his shit. I was STILL just making a point.

Also I would say probably only %40 of the people on here actually research something before they jump head first into it. Most people take what people say on hear as the gospel truth with out doing other research.
Almost forgot. There is no way that a kit would cost $8000 to $10000. The most expensive one for a 350z was a little over $6000 and that was a TT set up with all the trimmings for a 6. So I would think that paying over $5000 would be ludicrous.

I hope there is no bad blood here and if there is oh well life goes on.

[jb4g]

Originally Posted by 1armdriver

I don't know what another big company would do to test their product but I would be willing to bet they wouldn't charge full price for the test car. I have fooled with turbo cars before. My last was a 2000 lude with a bolt on turbonetics kit. I paid $4500 for a new kit with intercooler, tial wg, blitz bov, new injectors, and management. That was from the factory not a crack head. Now if Greg offered all that with tunning on the test car and a guarentee of no mishaps then I would be at the shop tomorrow with money in hand. Not that he would have me now but that is beside the point.

let me make sure i got this straight. you paid 4500 for a bolt on kit and engine management. that was a kit that was guranteed to fit and work straight out of the box(I presume) Greg wants 4k to design, test, and build a kit from scratch, throw in 500-1000 more for the FIC/pnp harness or something similar so we will use 5k as an approx #. so for 5k he is going to have to research, design, fabricate, install, test, redesign and reinstall if needed, figure out how to tune it properly, dyno the piss out of it to make sure it works reliably and ensure he is doing everyhting in his power to make a reliable powerful kit for our car..... and you think that 4k is too much???? Granted there MIGHT be some parts out there that will work off the ralliart lancer and maybe the 3g gt, its still going to require lots and lots of fitting and testing. I dont see how 4k is alot man, sorry but I dont. To me its a small price to pay to someone whos reputation by all appearances is bullet proof. If you want to pay 3k then why dont you call Dougs Dyno Power in Vegas and ship him your car and we will see how well that turns out for you You say that you simply want to put the info out there for misinformed little kids spending mommy and daddys money, but at that same time you may lead one of those kids to a place like DDP. Let people make their own decision. This guy understands the power of message boards, he is gonna find the right test fitter who understands what he/she is getting into up front, if he doesnt he risks getting flamed al over the intraweb. You are not that buyer...we get that...but as I have said that buyer IS out there somewhere.

And as for the comment about his website, honestly, who gives a ****, Id rather the guy spend his time working on his customers cars than building a pretty website. I know a place in NY that has a real pretty website....but I wouldnt let them touch my car with a 10 foot wrench.

And none of this is personal, we just gotta get both sides of the issue out there for all the little kids to be "informed"

EDITED for Typos!

[FLGTeclipse]

honestly thery only have thing to do with this turbo kit is tune it and make the kit the enigne will hold low boost and make good numbers ...the HEADERST part will be finding the FITTER

[1armdriver]

This whole thing is just getting drawn out for really nothing.

Bottom line is I would be more than happy to pay $5k for a proven kit.
Call me sour BECAUSE of my last turbo install that was done by a "reputable" shop. I had nothing but trouble from a crappy install. Thats all.

Good luck with the whole shebang!!

[Tech_Greek]

There are us idiots who pave the way, put parts on our cars that aren't guarnteed to work (instance, I'm the first Fujita CAI owner on the 9G Galant).

Then there are the people who sit back and wait for the idiots like my self to go first...

Do I have a problem with that? No

As far as 9-10k...where's my rolly eyed smiley at haha

[UCSPerformance]

I appreciate all the support various members have shown for myself in this thread. It really does make all the hard work worth it.

A couple of comments since I'm really not in the mood to flame the fires of any drama.

I'm assuming that certain individuals don't know exactly the related cost of the materials involved. For example, custom manifold flanges that are made out of stainless steel are NOT cheap! My cost on flanges alone for the 6G75 exceed $170.00 per set! I don't know if any of you guys have ever popped your hood on the V6 and noticed that your exhaust manifolds have a built in precat. There is no way to design a turbo kit that will actually perform with those in there. That means completely custom tubular manifolds need to be fabricated. Not only is there a ton of time involved, there is also a lot of material. When we build manifolds we only use schedule 10 stainless steel. Other companies will use cheaper tubing but we will not sacrifice quality in order to make a bigger profit margin. While I'm talking about stainless steel, have any of you guys seen what has happened to steel prices lately? They have gone through the roof! China is DEVOURING steel at an alarming rate which continues to drive prices higher and higher. I don't even want to get started on buying mandrel bends but will say that the associated cost of mandrel bends is why we are buying a mandrel bender for the shop, not to mention how it will streamline and ease the fabrication process.

We are a small shop. We don't buy enough parts to get the huge discounts on kit components that other places do. Heck, Greddy and Turbonetics build their own components! We are no way equipped to do such a thing and must purchase kit components from other vendors. We don't even have enough buying power to go straight to the manufacturer in many cases because they want VOLUME. We also don't use knockoff products and this in turn causes us to have to spend more than most companies on quality components.

In regards to my website... Well welcome to the life of a guy who until recently was a one man operation. I answered the phone. I did the accounting. I did the work. I did not have any help. I just don't have the time to create the content for my site. I paid someone to create the template but he cannot take the information out of my head and put it in HTML. Only I can but I've been swamped with other projects that are honestly of more import than completing a website. Maintaining a good relationship with my clients is far more important to me and has obviously paid off as even with an incomplete website I manage to stay busy on word of mouth alone. My cars literally sit and wait for me to work on them as I never have the free time. It's a damn shame and irony if you ask me. The tuner fabricator spends all his time on other's cars and never has time for his own little armada of vehicles. If you want to see a completed website, check out DTM Motorsport:: About as afterall, that is now my website too since I am now a partner at DTM.

Oh and one more note... All of our test fitters get the kit AT COST. Every single kit we make after that will be more expensive than the prototype kit as we need to make a profit and does not include labor for install or tuning! I thought I clearly stated this from the beginning?

Hope that clears things up!

[Tech_Greek]

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