need some help building a big wheel. - Club4G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G Forums - 2006-2012 Eclipse Authority

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 10:21 PM

saw this online and decided i wanted to try my hand at building one of these.

anyone have any ideas on how i could make the rear wheels spin? im learning how to weld and i have a bunch or bike/car parts laying around...im pretty sure i could get this knocked out...just having problems with the rear wheels

Daxenth · January 18th, 2012, 10:24 PM

couldnt you make something that looks similar to this:

I--0

horrible with text but essentially the I would be a steel or better quality/sturdier metal plate welded to the axle and attached to the wheel

where the plate would sit in a special holder that allows it to rotate.

fucked up i know but makes sense in my head.

Daxenth · January 18th, 2012, 10:25 PM

ill try to draw something up for you

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 10:27 PM

well...i have some 15" deep dishes laying around that are 4 lug and a 4lug hub...im just trying to figure out how it would spin.

Daxenth · January 18th, 2012, 10:29 PM

lol let me finish this episode of DBZ:k and ill kick some ideas around with you bro

Daxenth · January 18th, 2012, 10:34 PM

actually, how partial are you to a traditional axle (flat i mean) and just adjust the angle of the wheels like this?

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 10:35 PM

from the outside:
wheel -- 4-5" -- support / pivot point with bearing (like a round hole (cut tube) with a bearing inside it ---- 4-5" ---- 2nd support w/ bearing attached to frame?

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:01 PM

i just need to figure out what spins...those rods the rear wheels are attached to are obviously stationary....but...how does it spin...

Daxenth · January 18th, 2012, 11:18 PM

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxkevinchuxX

i just need to figure out what spins...those rods the rear wheels are attached to are obviously stationary....but...how does it spin...

sorry, not sure what you mean bro...
but if the tubular sections are stationary, then you need some kind of bearing at the wheel end...
like a bearing / rotating assembly sandwiched between 2 plates.
1 plate attaches to the stationary tube
1 plate attaches to the wheel.

i dont even know if thats possible, but say a bearing has 2 rings, right?
you could weld the inner one to the inside plate, the outer one to the wheel-side plate, and ouala?

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:26 PM

pat i think you're on to something...but there has to be a more obvious way to do it...perhaps we're over thinking it.

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:28 PM

glad i can help...
i'm not familiar with axles, bearings and sh**, but again if the whole "axle" doesnt spin, you need something that will at the end...

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:31 PM

Are you doing a simple chain/sprocket drive? Orrrr a way more complex shaft drive?

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:31 PM

pat im in the dark as well....

i have 4 of these hub assemblies laying around from my old 240....i wonder if i could use those...they look like this

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midnight07GT

Are you doing a simple chain/sprocket drive? Orrrr a way more complex shaft drive?

no chain...im using a classic tricycle type pedal system on the front wheels

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:33 PM

if the outer ring at the top (left pic) is fixed and doesnt rotate when you rotate the hub assembly, then weld that onto the end of your axle, and boom?

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:34 PM

actually, easiest way to test it is, put one of those on a table / floor, lug nuts up. put some weight on it, and turn, and see what happens.

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:36 PM

As for the bend in the axles, how about a u-joint setup from a parts store. When i worked at advance auto i came acrossed these tiny u-joints from god knows what that were an inch from cup to cup at most. Just throwin ideas out there lol

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midnight07GT

As for the bend in the axles, how about a u-joint setup from a parts store. When i worked at advance auto i came acrossed these tiny u-joints from god knows what that were an inch from cup to cup at most. Just throwin ideas out there lol

pics?

Blacson30 · January 18th, 2012, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxkevinchuxX

no chain...im using a classic tricycle type pedal system on the front wheels

IMO..those hub assemblies should definately do the trick!! When I first started reading the thread I was thinking...

1. Chain drive like a bike...but then I saw you were going traditional "Old School" front foot peddle style like the 1st gen Big Wheel I had in the 70's...oh shnikey...did I give away my age..

2. You could also do like a solid axle through a tube...that might give you more options to attach it to a platform or fabbed frame.

Good luck Bro!!! Can't wait to see it!!!!...slam it!!!!!

B.

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:41 PM

and if the rear axles are stationary, no need for a u-joint...
just 2 solid axles that come together in the middle of the bike...

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:41 PM

Nah dude sorry, check advances site or google it maybe. It was small enough to fit in a closed hand, that's all i remember.

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:44 PM

But if you're doin a solid axle, how are you gonna get any camber out of it if it has a bend?

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:45 PM

like i said, 2 half-axles rather than 1 from wheel to wheel...
it's not like he's going for race-track handling with that

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:48 PM

I suppose. With that kinda camber it'll handle like a boss anyway at high speeds of 15+ mph lol

XxkevinchuxX · January 18th, 2012, 11:49 PM

i definitely want it to be cambered.

see the axles are stationary and angled upwards...while the hub somehow spins...i guess the only way to figure it out is playing with the junk i have laying around tomorrow. thanks for the imput guys

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:50 PM

next thing you know you'll find a video of Kevin in the "driver" seat, his buddy in the Eclipse pulling the trike with a rope attached to the rear bumper at 60 mph around a track

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 18th, 2012, 11:52 PM

to get the camber, you just need to install your fixed half-axles at an angle... and if you wanna get real fancy, make it adjustable with a pivot point in the middle (of the 1/2 axle) and slider-thingy at the end (of the half-axle)

midnight07GT · January 18th, 2012, 11:52 PM

Just make sure that you weld them in super good, and make sure your cross camber is somewhat decent aka measure top to top and bottom to bottom

XxkevinchuxX · January 19th, 2012, 12:03 AM

my main concern is getting the rear wheels to spin smoothly

pat_08GT_Spyder · January 19th, 2012, 12:07 AM

thats where your hub assemblies come into play...
you got me all excited now, cant wait to see what you do !

XxkevinchuxX · January 19th, 2012, 12:14 AM

mine is going to be so much better than the one pictured above.

wgpengineering · January 21st, 2012, 01:30 AM

put it on air bags! you could make an actual suspension for it and bag it...a little more complicated than what you want, i'm sure, but it would be sick! controlling the air and keeping the tank fully pressurized would be a problem in and of itself but it would still be awesome

fabguy · January 21st, 2012, 03:26 AM

Go to your local trailer supply store and pick up a hub. Weld a tube onto it and your done.

Like this
1,250 lb High Speed Trailer Stub-Axle | Princess Auto

fabguy · January 25th, 2012, 08:24 PM

Hows this project comming?

Eclipse2009 · March 10th, 2012, 12:55 PM

You might be able to cut off the top of a 360 degree caster and weld and bolt it onto the rear wheels that way you get the smooth spin you want! Badass build can't wait to see it finished!

January 18th, 2012, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	from the outside: wheel -- 4-5" -- support / pivot point with bearing (like a round hole (cut tube) with a bearing inside it ---- 4-5" ---- 2nd support w/ bearing attached to frame? __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	glad i can help... i'm not familiar with axles, bearings and sh**, but again if the whole "axle" doesnt spin, you need something that will at the end... __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	if the outer ring at the top (left pic) is fixed and doesnt rotate when you rotate the hub assembly, then weld that onto the end of your axle, and boom? __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	actually, easiest way to test it is, put one of those on a table / floor, lug nuts up. put some weight on it, and turn, and see what happens. __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	and if the rear axles are stationary, no need for a u-joint... just 2 solid axles that come together in the middle of the bike... __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

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January 18th, 2012, 11:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	Are you doing a simple chain/sprocket drive? Orrrr a way more complex shaft drive?

January 18th, 2012, 11:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	As for the bend in the axles, how about a u-joint setup from a parts store. When i worked at advance auto i came acrossed these tiny u-joints from god knows what that were an inch from cup to cup at most. Just throwin ideas out there lol

January 18th, 2012, 11:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	Nah dude sorry, check advances site or google it maybe. It was small enough to fit in a closed hand, that's all i remember.

January 18th, 2012, 11:44 PM	#23 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	But if you're doin a solid axle, how are you gonna get any camber out of it if it has a bend?

January 18th, 2012, 11:45 PM	#24 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	like i said, 2 half-axles rather than 1 from wheel to wheel... it's not like he's going for race-track handling with that __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	I suppose. With that kinda camber it'll handle like a boss anyway at high speeds of 15+ mph lol

January 18th, 2012, 11:50 PM	#27 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	next thing you know you'll find a video of Kevin in the "driver" seat, his buddy in the Eclipse pulling the trike with a rope attached to the rear bumper at 60 mph around a track __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:52 PM	#28 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	to get the camber, you just need to install your fixed half-axles at an angle... and if you wanna get real fancy, make it adjustable with a pivot point in the middle (of the 1/2 axle) and slider-thingy at the end (of the half-axle) __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 18th, 2012, 11:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
midnight07GT I got this Name: Scott Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Vehicle: 2007 eclipse gt Posts: 295 Rep Power: 1	Just make sure that you weld them in super good, and make sure your cross camber is somewhat decent aka measure top to top and bottom to bottom

January 19th, 2012, 12:07 AM	#31 (permalink)
pat_08GT_Spyder dirty frenchie Name: Pat Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: 08 GT Spyder 6MT Posts: 5,436 Rep Power: 9	thats where your hub assemblies come into play... you got me all excited now, cant wait to see what you do ! __________________ 275whp topless My ride: http://club4g.org/board/members-ride...gt-spyder.html

January 21st, 2012, 01:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
wgpengineering Willow Spring Racer Name: Peachs Join Date: May 2011 Location: Edwards AFB Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GT 6SPD Posts: 220 Rep Power: 2	put it on air bags! you could make an actual suspension for it and bag it...a little more complicated than what you want, i'm sure, but it would be sick! controlling the air and keeping the tank fully pressurized would be a problem in and of itself but it would still be awesome __________________ Mods: Fujita5 CAI, MR coilovers, custom 2.5" cat back w/ electric cutout, rear seat delete, 4-point harness, RRE headers/EGR delete Awaiting Installation: HX55, twin Turbonetics 35mm wastegates, Turbosmart BOV, FMIC Buying Soon: F/IC, custom y-pipe/exhaust, boost controller, Stg3 clutch, LSD

January 21st, 2012, 03:26 AM	#34 (permalink)
fabguy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Keswick On. Vehicle: 2007 eclipse GT Posts: 264 Rep Power: 1	Go to your local trailer supply store and pick up a hub. Weld a tube onto it and your done. Like this 1,250 lb High Speed Trailer Stub-Axle \| Princess Auto __________________ Mods so far AEM FIC, TWM short shifter + base bushings, CAI, Tower braces upper and lower, Proflow TB + spacers, Blue interrior lights, Oil catch can, BC racing coilovers, TB bypass, Cooler NGK plugs, OBX long tubes, magnaflow exhaust, engine mounts, eibach swaybars.

January 25th, 2012, 08:24 PM	#35 (permalink)
fabguy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Keswick On. Vehicle: 2007 eclipse GT Posts: 264 Rep Power: 1	Hows this project comming? __________________ Mods so far AEM FIC, TWM short shifter + base bushings, CAI, Tower braces upper and lower, Proflow TB + spacers, Blue interrior lights, Oil catch can, BC racing coilovers, TB bypass, Cooler NGK plugs, OBX long tubes, magnaflow exhaust, engine mounts, eibach swaybars.

March 10th, 2012, 12:55 PM	#36 (permalink)
Eclipse2009 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Vehicle: 2009 Gs Coupe Posts: 57 Rep Power: 2	You might be able to cut off the top of a 360 degree caster and weld and bolt it onto the rear wheels that way you get the smooth spin you want! Badass build can't wait to see it finished!

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