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Brightred · January 28th, 2011, 08:37 PM

Look lets not all jump to conclusions. This is just one article with information from "quote'" "a Mitsubishi source" anything can happen from now to 2013. Car manufacturers have made 360 degree turns before. I would not hold too much credence on this one article from some source. We just have to wait a little longer for a definite decision. Unfortunately below is a more convincing link.
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http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/goodb...pse-and-galant

Isamu · January 29th, 2011, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brightred

Look lets not all jump to conclusions. This is just one article with information from "quote'" "a Mitsubishi source" anything can happen from now to 2013. Car manufacturers have made 360 degree turns before. I would not hold too much credence on this one article from some source. We just have to wait a little longer for a definite decision. Unfortunately below is a more convincing link.
B

Goodbye, Mitsubishi Eclipse and Galant? - News | TopGear.com.ph

it's also popped up on wikipedia... not that its the most credible web site always, but some stuff is pretty accurate.

Cedric · January 29th, 2011, 11:42 PM

Another thing that could happen. They pop out a global eclipse

Isamu · January 30th, 2011, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedric

Another thing that could happen. They pop out a global eclipse

that won't ever happen...
it would have already..

deprydation · January 30th, 2011, 06:12 PM

Cedric · January 30th, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isamu

that won't ever happen...
it would have already..

Hopes and dreams... Well just dreams now.

Isamu · January 31st, 2011, 01:58 AM

maybe in like 5 years, Mitsu will go oh shit, we are missing out on a huge chunk of the market, and go back and do a retro gsx, similar to the 4g, but with 2g weight and 3g affordability

deprydation · January 31st, 2011, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isamu

maybe in like 5 years, Mitsu will go oh shit, we are missing out on a huge chunk of the market, and go back and do a retro gsx, similar to the 4g, but with 2g weight and 3g affordability

This is currently called "Concept RA".

Isamu · January 31st, 2011, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprydation

This is currently called "Concept RA".

I know... but will they actually come through.. i'm doubting it

freak77power · February 1st, 2011, 02:15 PM

This could not be bad afterall, it wil give time to Mitsubishi to rethink the future cause iMiev electric little shit has no future. In meantime i think we will start seeing Turbos of 4G

deprydation · February 1st, 2011, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isamu

I know... but will they actually come through.. i'm doubting it

I agree. If the RA ever comes out it'll be probably detuned alot. It also won't have the awesome doors on it either. The interior will probably be cheaped out as well to keep costs down.

Infliction · February 2nd, 2011, 07:37 PM

i still think if the RA comes out in any form. it'll be something worth thinking about.

STL Eclipse 2011 · February 2nd, 2011, 07:40 PM

I think I would have to buy it if it looked anything like the concept

gspower · February 2nd, 2011, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freak77power

This could not be bad afterall, it wil give time to Mitsubishi to rethink the future cause iMiev electric little shit has no future. In meantime i think we will start seeing Turbos of 4G

no future? do you not walk with your eyes open during the day? alternate energy is the future. in 20 years you will be lucky to find gas powered cars. there is no doubt about it.

Infliction · February 2nd, 2011, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

no future? do you not walk with your eyes open during the day? alternate energy is the future. in 20 years you will be lucky to find gas powered cars. there is no doubt about it.

TROOOOOOOOOTH^
their sites are set in the right direction. it may suck for us right now. but dont think for a second that mitsu will not continue to be performance oriented.

b1gkishan · February 2nd, 2011, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspower

no future? do you not walk with your eyes open during the day? alternate energy is the future. in 20 years you will be lucky to find gas powered cars. there is no doubt about it.

I beg to differ... America makes alot of money from gas they even kick ppls ass for it ..... there are way too many big shot companies and investors involved in gasoline ...that shits not gonna stop .....companies might offer alternatives but they will still make vehicles that are gas powered.

Infliction · February 2nd, 2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1gkishan

I beg to differ... America makes alot of money from gas they even kick ppls ass for it ..... there are way too many big shot companies and investors involved in gasoline ...that shits not gonna stop .....companies might offer alternatives but they will still make vehicles that are gas powered.

conspiracy time.
you know what ethanol does to engines? it destroys them. if you work with small engines you know that first hand. it sucks moisture out of the air and water collects in your tank. that along with "93 octane" not testing at 93 octane anymore. our engines are fucked unless we use an additive that'll cost us about $10 a month. and apparently they just passed a raise in the ethanol from 10% to 15%. its getting worse.
small engine companies have talked about completely dropping warranties because they cant cover what the gas does to them.

so. picture this not too distant and already planned out future. gas goes to shit and starts ruining engines. car manufactures start pumping out electric cars. what are you doing to do?

Isamu · February 3rd, 2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infliction

conspiracy time.
you know what ethanol does to engines? it destroys them. if you work with small engines you know that first hand. it sucks moisture out of the air and water collects in your tank. that along with "93 octane" not testing at 93 octane anymore. our engines are fucked unless we use an additive that'll cost us about $10 a month. and apparently they just passed a raise in the ethanol from 10% to 15%. its getting worse.
small engine companies have talked about completely dropping warranties because they cant cover what the gas does to them.

so. picture this not too distant and already planned out future. gas goes to shit and starts ruining engines. car manufactures start pumping out electric cars. what are you doing to do?

ok, its not THAT bad.. lol like seriously... and i don't know where you buy your 93 octane from but the shit we have on base tests in the 93-94 range... they did this huge survey because some bases were having probs with cheap gas.. but the premium was always golden

STL Eclipse 2011 · February 3rd, 2011, 03:38 AM

YouTube - Mitsubishi Ralliart Eclipse

those a holes why didnt they make it, we should all email them like the guy says it in the video 350+ omggg

Isamu · February 3rd, 2011, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STL Eclipse 2011

YouTube - Mitsubishi Ralliart Eclipse

those a holes why didnt they make it, we should all email them like the guy says it in the video 350+ omggg

LOL that guy is such a douche... i don't even think he knew was he was talking about... but hey, check this out YouTube - Roadfly.com - Mitsubishi Concept RA

b1gkishan · February 3rd, 2011, 09:55 AM

I personally only stop at stations that use British gasoline

more whp lmao I'm jk .....

Infliction · February 4th, 2011, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isamu

ok, its not THAT bad.. lol like seriously... and i don't know where you buy your 93 octane from but the shit we have on base tests in the 93-94 range... they did this huge survey because some bases were having probs with cheap gas.. but the premium was always golden

i know it isnt as bad as i made it seem. but thats whats happening. conspiracy or not.
and it all depends on where you get your gas here(NY state). we've got sunoco, mobil, hess, fast track, valero.. honestly not sure if im spelling all of those the right way. but its obvious when you go different places that some are better than others. Hess is cheep but it goes away fast and the throttle response seems lacking..

Slippercream · February 5th, 2011, 04:09 AM

Ehh... the way I see it, be happy you have the 4G. Sure it's a heffer. But it's got one of the smoothest FWD 6/MTs you'll find out there, and not to mention the fact that it's as close as you'll get to a DSG without having to give up the stick.

And if you still don't understand what a gold mine the '75-M is, you don't deserve a GT. Or, I'll be nice, it's just another daily driver to you - in which case, just give someone who does understand and appreciate your engine, and be done with it

For those who think investing in a 4G is nuts at this point, consider this - you may never find another engine this capable, nor a chassis more sturdy, in a Mitsu coupe for a LONG time. And not to mention, there won't be a "newer" model to be worried about in the next year, to make yours obsolete.

FWIW... just another person who knows to value certain things most people in this forum don't. Things like steel flywheels, big displacement, traction and braking before power, and standalone engine management systems.

Isamu · February 5th, 2011, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slippercream

Ehh... the way I see it, be happy you have the 4G. Sure it's a heffer. But it's got one of the smoothest FWD 6/MTs you'll find out there, and not to mention the fact that it's as close as you'll get to a DSG without having to give up the stick.

And if you still don't understand what a gold mine the '75-M is, you don't deserve a GT. Or, I'll be nice, it's just another daily driver to you - in which case, just give someone who does understand and appreciate your engine, and be done with it

For those who think investing in a 4G is nuts at this point, consider this - you may never find another engine this capable, nor a chassis more sturdy, in a Mitsu coupe for a LONG time. And not to mention, there won't be a "newer" model to be worried about in the next year, to make yours obsolete.

FWIW... just another person who knows to value certain things most people in this forum don't. Things like steel flywheels, big displacement, traction and braking before power, and standalone engine management systems.

l o l . . .
it's sounds so convincing till you mention big displacement... sure 3.8l is getting there, but not quite big... heheheh sup Slippy!!

but seriously... dude is right... I really liked driving the GT when i had one as a rental, was way to much fun... it's why i still consider getting a 4g from time to time

360jeepboy · February 5th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Wait till you can find a good one for 5-8k and completely gut it out. No AC

, no rear seats, nothing you don't need. Then build the motor up to a nice 300whp, or maybe more, and you would have a little rocket on your hands. If there was a way to hit sub 3k lbs on this thing it would kill!

If only it was RWD, or mid engine... lol

Isamu · February 5th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360jeepboy

Wait till you can find a good one for 5-8k and completely gut it out. No AC

, no rear seats, nothing you don't need. Then build the motor up to a nice 300whp, or maybe more, and you would have a little rocket on your hands. If there was a way to hit sub 3k lbs on this thing it would kill!

If only it was RWD, or mid engine... lol

im sure there is a way to hit sub 3k lbs... i mean, shit, the eclipse has tons of extra shit

Slippercream · February 6th, 2011, 06:16 AM

You're right - 3.8L isn't much, if you're comparing to big block V8s. But note, as with all engines, it's not just the block that determines output.

Theoretical max on N/A 3.8Ls are plenty to exceed 500chp, if the heads and ECU were capable of flowing to that potential. Which, btw, these heads come close

Oh what time and money can't buy.

Ahh Kennan... can't gut a beast without chucking metal.

Car talk aside, how're you guys doing?

Isamu · February 6th, 2011, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slippercream

You're right - 3.8L isn't much, if you're comparing to big block V8s. But note, as with all engines, it's not just the block that determines output.

Theoretical max on N/A 3.8Ls are plenty to exceed 500chp, if the heads and ECU were capable of flowing to that potential. Which, btw, these heads come close

Oh what time and money can't buy.

Ahh Kennan... can't gut a beast without chucking metal.

Car talk aside, how're you guys doing?

I wasn't disagreeing.. i actually fully agree.. i was just being a dick.. i mean it's what i do best... but its like that one thread 400whp... I am a full believer that this motor is MORE then capable..
and Im ok, stuck in the house with no roads to drive my nismo

i hate winter

Slippercream · February 6th, 2011, 01:03 PM

Haha... dude, I wasn't lashing out at ya

Of all people you know what I'm talking about.

In fact, totally OT, I've been having wet dreams about getting an FTO chassis through the border, since I'm in Canada

Imagine an FTO frame, CT9A Evo drivetrain, 4G63-T

Isamu · February 6th, 2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slippercream

Haha... dude, I wasn't lashing out at ya

Of all people you know what I'm talking about.

In fact, totally OT, I've been having wet dreams about getting an FTO chassis through the border, since I'm in Canada

Imagine an FTO frame, CT9A Evo drivetrain, 4G63-T

Remember when you and I used to discuss this shit, back when it was all us old school OGs up in this bitch...
I still wanna get one too.. make it look like this

Slippercream · February 10th, 2011, 01:30 AM

I still maintain, I don't know, and it saddens me to think, that there may never be another better Mitsu 6-cyl than the 6G75-M

freak77power · February 10th, 2011, 12:23 PM

If these three models are out of production what Mitsubishi is thinking they are going to sell? I can tell them right away that people in US wont buy little iMev Electric thing infact there will be probably a joke like it is only good for Golf.

If they are going to put electric motor in body of Eclipse Car and have bad ass performance i am for it otherwise fuck that shit...

RJ88 · February 10th, 2011, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freak77power

If these three models are out of production what Mitsubishi is thinking they are going to sell? I can tell them right away that people in US wont buy little iMev Electric thing infact there will be probably a joke like it is only good for Golf.

If they are going to put electric motor in body of Eclipse Car and have bad ass performance i am for it otherwise fuck that shit...

i agree.. americans arent with that weak, electric shit.. if that was the case, GM wouldnt sell a damn thing.

Isamu · February 10th, 2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ88

i agree.. americans arent with that weak, electric shit.. if that was the case, GM wouldnt sell a damn thing.

ah ha, but as young as you kids are, you don't know the bonus of killer tax breaks for green vehicles... trust me, america will buy electric vehicles... the tax breaks alone are almost worth it

Slippercream · February 10th, 2011, 10:20 PM

I'd buy the iMiev, if it was released in North America as the Sport version. Whatever that means

If you've got badass cars to drive on the weekend, why would you need to drive a badass car during the week?

To get dings and dents and fear break-ins and spills from the wife and kids because you don't have a reliable DD that you won't have to worry about keeping fresh and clean all the time?

... Makes sense if you can afford to be practical, that is

deprydation · February 11th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slippercream

I'd buy the iMiev, if it was released in North America as the Sport version. Whatever that means

If you've got badass cars to drive on the weekend, why would you need to drive a badass car during the week?

To get dings and dents and fear break-ins and spills from the wife and kids because you don't have a reliable DD that you won't have to worry about keeping fresh and clean all the time?

... Makes sense if you can afford to be practical, that is

Good point, but I've always been under the thinking of if you have an awesome car, why only drive it on the weekends in nice weather? Drive it till the wheels fall off. At least you got your enjoyment out of it.

deprydation · February 11th, 2011, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brightred

Look lets not all jump to conclusions. This is just one article with information from "quote'" "a Mitsubishi source" anything can happen from now to 2013. Car manufacturers have made 360 degree turns before. I would not hold too much credence on this one article from some source. We just have to wait a little longer for a definite decision. Unfortunately below is a more convincing link.
B

Goodbye, Mitsubishi Eclipse and Galant? - News | TopGear.com.ph

I would say this article is generally proving you wrong and telling you to STFU.

Mitsubishi To Build Outlander Sport in U.S. in 2012

pat_08GT_Spyder · February 11th, 2011, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deprydation

I would say this article is generally proving you wrong and telling you to STFU.

Mitsubishi To Build Outlander Sport in U.S. in 2012

I would say a little courtesy and respect goes a long way, but at the same time i havent read the article yet, so...

freak77power · February 11th, 2011, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pat_08GT_Spyder

I would say a little courtesy and respect goes a long way, but at the same time i havent read the article yet, so...

So they are making only one car in 2012? WTF

Cedric · February 11th, 2011, 03:28 PM

^^^..... really......

January 28th, 2011, 08:37 PM	#161 (permalink)
Brightred Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GT Posts: 37 Rep Power: 3	Look lets not all jump to conclusions. This is just one article with information from "quote'" "a Mitsubishi source" anything can happen from now to 2013. Car manufacturers have made 360 degree turns before. I would not hold too much credence on this one article from some source. We just have to wait a little longer for a definite decision. Unfortunately below is a more convincing link. B http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/goodb...pse-and-galant Last edited by Brightred; January 28th, 2011 at 08:54 PM.

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Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Ehh... the way I see it, be happy you have the 4G. Sure it's a heffer. But it's got one of the smoothest FWD 6/MTs you'll find out there, and not to mention the fact that it's as close as you'll get to a DSG without having to give up the stick. And if you still don't understand what a gold mine the '75-M is, you don't deserve a GT. Or, I'll be nice, it's just another daily driver to you - in which case, just give someone who does understand and appreciate your engine, and be done with it For those who think investing in a 4G is nuts at this point, consider this - you may never find another engine this capable, nor a chassis more sturdy, in a Mitsu coupe for a LONG time. And not to mention, there won't be a "newer" model to be worried about in the next year, to make yours obsolete. FWIW... just another person who knows to value certain things most people in this forum don't. Things like steel flywheels, big displacement, traction and braking before power, and standalone engine management systems. __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/retard.gif D + D + D = ____________ ________________________________________________ "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

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January 29th, 2011, 11:42 PM	#163 (permalink)
Cedric Senior Member Tournaments Won: 2 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bremerton, WA Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GS Posts: 2,101 Rep Power: 6	Another thing that could happen. They pop out a global eclipse

February 1st, 2011, 02:15 PM	#170 (permalink)
freak77power Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Vehicle: 2006/Eclipse/GT Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0	This could not be bad afterall, it wil give time to Mitsubishi to rethink the future cause iMiev electric little shit has no future. In meantime i think we will start seeing Turbos of 4G

February 6th, 2011, 06:16 AM	#187 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	You're right - 3.8L isn't much, if you're comparing to big block V8s. But note, as with all engines, it's not just the block that determines output. Theoretical max on N/A 3.8Ls are plenty to exceed 500chp, if the heads and ECU were capable of flowing to that potential. Which, btw, these heads come close Oh what time and money can't buy. Ahh Kennan... can't gut a beast without chucking metal. Car talk aside, how're you guys doing? __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/retard.gif D + D + D = ____________ ________________________________________________ "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

February 6th, 2011, 01:03 PM	#189 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	Haha... dude, I wasn't lashing out at ya Of all people you know what I'm talking about. In fact, totally OT, I've been having wet dreams about getting an FTO chassis through the border, since I'm in Canada Imagine an FTO frame, CT9A Evo drivetrain, 4G63-T __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/retard.gif D + D + D = ____________ ________________________________________________ "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

February 10th, 2011, 01:30 AM	#191 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	I still maintain, I don't know, and it saddens me to think, that there may never be another better Mitsu 6-cyl than the 6G75-M __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/retard.gif D + D + D = ____________ ________________________________________________ "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

February 10th, 2011, 12:23 PM	#192 (permalink)
freak77power Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Vehicle: 2006/Eclipse/GT Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0	If these three models are out of production what Mitsubishi is thinking they are going to sell? I can tell them right away that people in US wont buy little iMev Electric thing infact there will be probably a joke like it is only good for Golf. If they are going to put electric motor in body of Eclipse Car and have bad ass performance i am for it otherwise fuck that shit...

February 10th, 2011, 10:20 PM	#195 (permalink)
Slippercream What Drives You? Name: Kibo... past, present, and Future Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Home= DFW/ATX. Work= SFO, CA Vehicle: 06 6MT GT-PP, 01 5MT GT-T Posts: 9,071 Rep Power: 24	I'd buy the iMiev, if it was released in North America as the Sport version. Whatever that means If you've got badass cars to drive on the weekend, why would you need to drive a badass car during the week? To get dings and dents and fear break-ins and spills from the wife and kids because you don't have a reliable DD that you won't have to worry about keeping fresh and clean all the time? ... Makes sense if you can afford to be practical, that is __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/retard.gif D + D + D = ____________ ________________________________________________ "I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?" - Benjamin Franklin

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Cedric Senior Member Tournaments Won: 2 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bremerton, WA Vehicle: 2008 Eclipse GS Posts: 2,101 Rep Power: 6	^^^..... really......

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