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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HOW TO: TWM Short Shifter Install (GS + GT)

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This was very informative and helpful with my install Thanks
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such as quality-lifespan-pros-con-actually worth buying-install ratingand any thing else lol and thanks in advance
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Yikes, I thought the gs short throw could be used with reverse lock????
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It can be done, just goin to take some serious modding to the shifter. You will have to add material to the bottom half of the shaft ( so the RL mechanism has a place to rest when it is fully extended). Then you have to drill a hole in the shifter for the pin and line up the spring correctly. Probly be a pain but worth it.
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I disagree, I have the shifter and I love it, since day one I felt the difference in shifting. The problem is that after all that work, you realize is the same size as your stock shifter and that is somehow a donw mood, cause you expect it to be short, but is really short shifter, not short in length.

Now, to resolve that problem my friend, cut the tip of the stick, and have some other guy redo the thread (mispelling) so he can screw the knob back. Now he has a short shifter, short stick and reverse lock all in one. I will do the same when the warranty on my car expires.
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Old November 7th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You still have to mod the RL.........otherwise it will not fit. That guy you speak of I think he had to cut the RL in half and reattach it or somethin.

Also, shortening the knob height is only half the problem. Thats why the GS shifter is the best solution. It cuts shift throw nearly in half, AND drops the knob like 2".
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no he didn't cut it n then retached. he cut the tip that is threaded by default which is around 1 to 1.5inch then he went to the shop n rethreaded. he screw the knob back n that's it. short shift, short stick n reverse function
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I'm sorry, it is mechanically impossible to just cut 1.5" off your shifter and not have to cut the reverse lockout. You must be mistaken.

Go out and unscrew your shift knob. If you take ANY length off the shifter shaft, it will cause the RL assembly to bottom out on the knob. It won't work. The guy you speak of had to shorten the plastic RL assembly.
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Rico, will all the respect if you dont want to beleive me that is fine. Im not gona make a 10 pages thread about this. Just let me tell you this. Interex which his name is Luis, lives in Orlando, FL we both installed the shifter in my friends Jose's shop, at the same time, the same day he helped me installed mine and I personally saw what he did to the shifter, he even wanted me to to the same thing but I wasnt sure and I was afraid to do it, but after I saw what he did, Im planing to do it, when my warranty expires, and when I fill dissambling the center dash again.

So if you are still around, I will post pictures.

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I'm sorry, it is mechanically impossible to just cut 1.5" off your shifter and not have to cut the reverse lockout. You must be mistaken.

Go out and unscrew your shift knob. If you take ANY length off the shifter shaft, it will cause the RL assembly to bottom out on the knob. It won't work. The guy you speak of had to shorten the plastic RL assembly.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 03:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Here is his post, but he remove the pictures. But he says what he did.

NON TWM shortshifter?
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Not saying you're a liar, but I'm having a hard time picturing this in my head. I read what interex did, and I PM'ed him about it forever ago. I was pretty sure he had to shorten the RL mechanism.
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Your second post down. Describes how you have to cut the RL, just like I said.
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Well is ur fault anyways, instead of asking how he did it, u keep sayin impossible. Even when I was there.
Let me see if my english will do it right.

He cut part of the stick, so now the thread is shorter to screw the knob, so he had the guy create more thread to the stick. When he tried to installed yes, the RL and the spring is Longer than the upper part of the stick, so he cut the RL not inhalf, but he kept cutting little by little until he was able to use and it will fit and do the function, after everything was cut and measure, he cut the spring. So now he still have all the function.
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I'm guna let you reread my posts and try to figure out where you got your wires crossed. I said it was impossible to cut the shifter without modding the RL, and you tried to tell me otherwise. I know that shifter like my balls man. I designed and sold RL compatible shift knobs. Make sure you know what you're reading before you respond please, I know things can be easily misinterpreted through the internet.

So for anybody who wants to get anything out of this thread at all:

1.) You can use the TWM GS shifter on the GT. You loose the RL, unless you are into some serious customizing ( someone like me).

2.) NO YOU CAN NOT CUT A SIX SPEED SHIFTER AT ALL WITHOUT SHORTENING THE REVERSE LOCKOUT MECHANISM.
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man.. i wanna try to do this myself.. but it seems a little intricate.. im lookin to throw the GS STS on my GT.. how much would it normally cost to get it installed at a shop?
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man.. i wanna try to do this myself.. but it seems a little intricate.. im lookin to throw the GS STS on my GT.. how much would it normally cost to get it installed at a shop?
Don't waste your money. Install it yourself. Good learning stuff.
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yea i want to.. but i dont wanna F anythin up! lol
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WOOOOOW, this looks so complicated, but I want it /cry
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Is really not complicated, the instructions are very very step by step stupid proof. It just take time and patience if you dont want to break like a clip or damage a screw.
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Yeah its not bad with this write up and the right tools anyone can do it, i was quoted too much money to have some local shops do it for me which in turn motivated me to DIY. and im glad i did
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Are there any special steps worth noting when installing a GS shifter on a GT?
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Hey guys. I found a video in installing a Ralco short shifter on Youtube. I find the shifter on my GS to be to long and will install this winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orqDfPL_t20

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Ordered my TWM GS shifter, should be arriving sometime mid-week.
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Yes, quite a few as a matter of fact!
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I hope to install my gs shift kit on my gt over the winter break at some point.
Interested to see someone install it as well.

I am thinking about having custom reverse lockouts made from a CNC milling shop. I asked during the summer and got a quote of $170 for one, but could do a large batch for not much more.

This thread shows one design for the lockout that worked. I used that and modified it a little to suit what the shop said they could do. The part where the shift boot wraps around is the only part of the design changed, which is round in my design and not angular like the original. The shop said it would be easier to mill if it was round.

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I hope to install my gs shift kit on my gt over the winter break at some point.
Interested to see someone install it as well.

I am thinking about having custom reverse lockouts made from a CNC milling shop. I asked during the summer and got a quote of $170 for one, but could do a large batch for not much more.

This thread shows one design for the lockout that worked. I used that and modified it a little to suit what the shop said they could do. The part where the shift boot wraps around is the only part of the design changed, which is round in my design and not angular like the original. The shop said it would be easier to mill if it was round.

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If you get the RL to work, please post it up, many people (myself included) would be very interested to see how it's done.

As for the shifter installation itself, give yourself plenty of time and be prepared to deal with a few setbacks. You've got to dig through a lot of plastic trim just to get to the damn thing, and punch out some pins to release the base. You'll be instructed to cut out a section to accomodate the throw, but you'll also need to cut out the right hand side portion to clear reverse that isn't mentioned in the manual. The plastic is near bulletproof, I couldn't cut it with a dremel tool, needed a hacksaw and a file. Install the aluminum shifter bushings if you've got them. I wasn't able to remove the plastic RL without breaking it, despite my best efforts, so be careful with that (it doesn't like to be put in a vice). If the plate aligning the pins on the left side of the base doesn't line up anymore, it may have flipped upsidedown during the disassembly. This took me awhile to figure out and gave me a little panic attack. Grease the ball/s liberally. Put everything back, including the entire length of the center console. Hope things go smoothly for you.
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The section of the base I had to cut out to clear the throw into reverse:



Plastic plate that flipped over and no longer aligned with the pins:

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Holy hell, I got the GS Ralco shifter and didn't have to do any cutting or fab work... Whats the deal? Is the TWM just longer on the bottom or something?
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Holy hell, I got the GS Ralco shifter and didn't have to do any cutting or fab work... Whats the deal? Is the TWM just longer on the bottom or something?
Well, you had to cut out a section ahead of the stock throw box to clear the wider arc of the new shifter. That much was in the instructions and expected as I had to do the same thing on my G5's TWM. When I had it all together and tested it, I couldn't get it into reverse because it was hitting the sidewall. I figured the only way around it was to cut out that wall. It was never mentioned anywhere that I had to do that, but it was the only way. Maybe the ralco and the TWM are really that different that you didn't have to butcher anything?
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Well, you had to cut out a section ahead of the stock throw box to clear the wider arc of the new shifter. That much was in the instructions and expected as I had to do the same thing on my G5's TWM. When I had it all together and tested it, I couldn't get it into reverse because it was hitting the sidewall. I figured the only way around it was to cut out that wall. It was never mentioned anywhere that I had to do that, but it was the only way. Maybe the ralco and the TWM are really that different that you didn't have to butcher anything?
It sat a little bit lower than stock, but still made clearance. I'm sure the TWM is better since performance wise since it has the wider arc, possibly even shorter overall, but dang... thats a lot of work just for a supposed bolt-on shifter. Does it at least work well?
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It works fairly well, but with that and losing the RL, I'd say it almost isn't worth it. It's also double the price of the Ralco.
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If you get the RL to work, please post it up, many people (myself included) would be very interested to see how it's done.

As for the shifter installation itself, give yourself plenty of time and be prepared to deal with a few setbacks. You've got to dig through a lot of plastic trim just to get to the damn thing, and punch out some pins to release the base. You'll be instructed to cut out a section to accomodate the throw, but you'll also need to cut out the right hand side portion to clear reverse that isn't mentioned in the manual. The plastic is near bulletproof, I couldn't cut it with a dremel tool, needed a hacksaw and a file. Install the aluminum shifter bushings if you've got them. I wasn't able to remove the plastic RL without breaking it, despite my best efforts, so be careful with that (it doesn't like to be put in a vice). If the plate aligning the pins on the left side of the base doesn't line up anymore, it may have flipped upsidedown during the disassembly. This took me awhile to figure out and gave me a little panic attack. Grease the ball/s liberally. Put everything back, including the entire length of the center console. Hope things go smoothly for you.

I am going by the machine shop later today to see if they will still offer me the same deal, if so I will have some made. I will have to see how many they can make for the right money.
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