Mobil 1 synthetic = fail - Club4G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G Forums

EclipseFL07 · July 3rd, 2009, 12:14 PM

checked my engine oil and found black residue on the dipstick, turns out it's breaking down. I only had it for maybe 1700miles,
I haven't really ran my car hard since the oil change, maybe a few spirited drives.

360jeepboy · July 3rd, 2009, 12:45 PM

I've never had a problem with Mobil syn... and everything you read about it is pretty good!

IT is the only thing I use in my bikes.

psy-q · July 3rd, 2009, 02:03 PM

Call the manufacturer and describe the problem. Something else may be in there causing it to break down.

Russ · July 3rd, 2009, 03:05 PM

I've been using that stuff for years. Perhaps what you are seeing is the oil "cleaning" out all the old stuff you used to use in your engine. I've taken apart a lot of high mileage Mitsubishi engines, and I know which ones have used synthetic versus ones that have just use conventional oil.

snoeclipse · July 3rd, 2009, 04:35 PM

how do you KNOW that the oil is breaking down??

It's been years since the look, feel, or smell of an oil was a decent indication of it's 'health'.

Jonrod · July 3rd, 2009, 04:36 PM

lol i roll with castrol syntec

leet · July 3rd, 2009, 06:58 PM

i roll with quakerstate "Q" synthetic
but will switch to royal purple soon

TwilsonD7 · July 3rd, 2009, 09:21 PM

I agree with Russ, I think it cleaned put old shit

the fuzz · July 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM

its the owner not the product no offense .

360jeepboy · July 4th, 2009, 12:54 AM

You should change it again with the same type oil and see if it does the same thing.

What oil did you use before?

EclipseFL07 · July 8th, 2009, 03:13 PM

I used mobil 1 non sytnethic from the dealership,

had the engine "flushed" and they put in more mobil1 synthetic, will see how this goes

witeout · July 8th, 2009, 05:18 PM

royal purple ftw

TwilsonD7 · July 8th, 2009, 05:21 PM

Look at the test done by Independent companies...royal purple not even in top 5.

What is Ftw?

Suprsaiyjinbroli · July 8th, 2009, 05:47 PM

Royal Purple...for boy racers that buy into the hype man.

You talk to anybody that has been working with cars for awhile, race teams, speed shops...they will all say they same thing...don't believe the hype of Royal Purple. Total BS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwilsonD7

What is Ftw?

For The Win

sullysdetailing · July 8th, 2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leet

i roll with quakerstate "Q" synthetic
but will switch to royal purple soon

Rotal Purple is to thin of an oil. Use Mobile 1 or AMSoil

EclipseFL07 · July 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM

everyone here is right, royal purple is just over hyped, not used by any of the race teams - the only good thing royal purple has is a marketing team

amsoil, mobil1 all up there

Jonrod · July 8th, 2009, 07:15 PM

i've always used castrol syntec 5w20 on all my cars.

Jonrod · July 8th, 2009, 07:20 PM

i honestly cant see the logic in royal purple especially since most of us are DD eclipses. it outta be a crime what they charge for that shit

sullysdetailing · July 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM

If AMS oil can power a 900whp EVO 8 that runs 8.75 @ 162.8 I think you can trust it lol

DarkSidEclipse · July 8th, 2009, 08:22 PM

Its more than Hype http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Tests and Dyno results don't lie

Drewfus32 · July 8th, 2009, 08:34 PM

the new castrol stuff wat is it castrol edge that stuff is supposed to be like 5 times better than mobil 1 and valvoline has that engine guarentee now so go with like ams or castrol or valvoline but dont go for royal purple your paying for the purple food color they put in the oil.

TwilsonD7 · July 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM

Mobile 1 and castrol syntec is what I always used...

API Motor Oil Comparison - amsoil valvoline quaker state castrol pennzoil mobil 1

TwilsonD7 · July 8th, 2009, 10:30 PM

I also see in a few performance shop websites to stay away from synthetic all together....

360jeepboy · July 9th, 2009, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewfus32

the new castrol stuff wat is it castrol edge that stuff is supposed to be like 5 times better than mobil 1 and valvoline has that engine guarentee now so go with like ams or castrol or valvoline but dont go for royal purple your paying for the purple food color they put in the oil.

Wow! Did you not even read the post, and link, above you?

360jeepboy · July 9th, 2009, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HondaHunter78

Its more than Hype http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Tests and Dyno results don't lie

The good and bad thing about that is... I use RP in my car

, I use Valvoline in my SV, but I use Moble1 Motorcycle racing oil in my Honda.... I wish I could find test for that stuff!

snoeclipse · July 9th, 2009, 11:43 AM

Much depends on the additive package that is still in the oils.

About a year ago the EPA mandated a huge reduction in certain additives for oils intended for gas powered engines. Some package components were reduced by as much as 75%.

A lot of people have started using diesel oils like Shell Rotella in their gas powered engines. Diesel oils are (so far) not affected by the EPA ordered additive reductions.

There is a lot of google-info available on this.

None of this changes the emotional attachments people make with certain brands though.

360jeepboy · July 9th, 2009, 11:48 AM

Well as you can tell I am not attached to any one oil.

I use RP, Moble1, Castrol, and Valvoline.

Nick · July 9th, 2009, 11:51 AM

I use Mobil 1 Syn for High Mileage Engines

TwilsonD7 · July 9th, 2009, 11:58 AM

Because no one Ever hears about that stuff and people purchase based on hear say and tv commercials. People like mobile 1 because nascars have it so it must be good...or mobile give free oil and pays millions for them to use only their oil. People buy royal purple because that's what chip foose so other tv shows use. It's all the same shit. There's numbers proving one thing over another but it all comes down to the same thing you pour in your car an throw out next mounth.

360jeepboy · July 9th, 2009, 11:59 AM

Have you ever thought that people use it, like chip foose, because it does it's job better then most?

TwilsonD7 · July 9th, 2009, 12:01 PM

That was just an example: I'm not sure if he does use it. But if he did um sure he holds it up with a big fucking smile because they give him a nice check to...it's all advertising

acer · July 9th, 2009, 12:37 PM

Should we start a thread about which gas is better too? In that case I'm a 76 man myself. It's oil.. I know it's important.. But y swear by one brand so strongly??

Royal purple, mobile 1, castrol all do the same thing. Lubricate ur motor, other parts. I don't believe the royal purple hype either. I can honestly say that because I've used both mobile and royal. No difference.

360jeepboy · July 9th, 2009, 03:22 PM

I doubt you would be able to "drive" your car with either oil and tell a difference. It is all in the testing.

And once again... Did you just ignore the link that HondaHunter posted?

I swear... I don't believe people can read something like that and say... oh it's just all marketing hype. I'm smart enough not to believe it. But I bet most of the people that don't believe a test of oil, with proof right under their nose, believes the government when they say that Alkata(misspelled I know) bombed the twin towers, even though we have been given no hard proof about such.

EclipseFL07 · July 9th, 2009, 03:34 PM

I would be a whole lot more satisfied if the review came with actual videos and from someone reputable and preferably someone who doesn't take bribes to promote a product.
+ that article is a little dated, some of the oils on there don't even exist anymore.

It would be sweet if Jay Leno did a review on what is the best motor oil, or something of that caliber

But you are right, I take back whatever I said about royal purple - I didn't do any lab testing on it, so it's all speculation at this time.

acer · July 9th, 2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360jeepboy

I doubt you would be able to "drive" your car with either oil and tell a difference. It is all in the testing.

And once again... Did you just ignore the link that HondaHunter posted?

I swear... I don't believe people can read something like that and say... oh it's just all marketing hype. I'm smart enough not to believe it. But I bet most of the people that don't believe a test of oil, with proof right under their nose, believes the government when they say that Alkata(misspelled I know) bombed the twin towers, even though we have been given no hard proof about such.

the link didn't come up from my iPhone. I'll read it when I get home.

ussoldier0227 · July 9th, 2009, 04:46 PM

I use royal purple in my 2g and 4g. No problems as of yet.

TwilsonD7 · July 9th, 2009, 05:07 PM

It's PDF give the iPhone a minute it will load.

Or course there's no problem, you won't have a problem with the $2 walmart oil either...

DarkSidEclipse · July 9th, 2009, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360jeepboy

I doubt you would be able to "drive" your car with either oil and tell a difference. It is all in the testing.

And once again... Did you just ignore the link that HondaHunter posted?

I swear... I don't believe people can read something like that and say... oh it's just all marketing hype. I'm smart enough not to believe it. But I bet most of the people that don't believe a test of oil, with proof right under their nose, believes the government when they say that Alkata(misspelled I know) bombed the twin towers, even though we have been given no hard proof about such.

Al-Qaeda a lil help

Anyways Jeep is right your not gonna notice when your driving your not gonna notice for few years until you have to break the engine down to fix something and you have a lotta shavings, scarring, and sludge in your engine. I'm not saying a better oil will stop these things, but it will minimize these things more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwilsonD7

It's PDF give the iPhone a minute it will load.

Or course there's no problem, you won't have a problem with the $2 walmart oil either...

No you wont not until 100k anyways

TwilsonD7 · July 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM

Oh...came up on the 3gs

ussoldier0227 · July 9th, 2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwilsonD7

It's PDF give the iPhone a minute it will load.

Or course there's no problem, you won't have a problem with the $2 walmart oil either...

Hmmm I was refering more towards the 2g which had close to 200k miles before I tore it down and rebuilt...

*Oh and after inspecting the engine during the re-build, it coulda ran easily without the rebuild....Just preparing for a turbo later on.

Go ahead and run your 2$ walmart oil for 100k and tell me if theres a problem then

July 3rd, 2009, 12:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
EclipseFL07 Aviator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Naples Florida Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Gt Posts: 2,634 Rep Power: 24	Mobil 1 synthetic = fail checked my engine oil and found black residue on the dipstick, turns out it's breaking down. I only had it for maybe 1700miles, I haven't really ran my car hard since the oil change, maybe a few spirited drives. __________________ Selling OEM brakes (rotors, pads) - low miles

July 3rd, 2009, 12:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 11 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 8,285 Rep Power: 27	I've never had a problem with Mobil syn... and everything you read about it is pretty good! IT is the only thing I use in my bikes. __________________ Nitrous is just boost in a bottle... All the cools kids are doing it!

July 3rd, 2009, 02:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
psy-q The dick of JUSTICE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT-P Posts: 3,057 Rep Power: 11	Call the manufacturer and describe the problem. Something else may be in there causing it to break down. __________________ Quality provider of condescension, superciliousness and ostentation since 1981 The Club4G "Unofficial" Rules. We demand obedience.

July 3rd, 2009, 03:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Russ Three Diamonds Tournaments Won: 3 Name: Russ Sanderlin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: Eclipse GT Posts: 3,200 Rep Power: 12	I've been using that stuff for years. Perhaps what you are seeing is the oil "cleaning" out all the old stuff you used to use in your engine. I've taken apart a lot of high mileage Mitsubishi engines, and I know which ones have used synthetic versus ones that have just use conventional oil. __________________ Russ Sanderlin Questions? Please email me at rsanderlin@tearstone.com 2006+ Factory Service Manual

July 3rd, 2009, 04:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
snoeclipse Call me Sparky! Join Date: Jul 2008 Vehicle: 07 GT Posts: 562 Rep Power: 3	how do you KNOW that the oil is breaking down?? It's been years since the look, feel, or smell of an oil was a decent indication of it's 'health'. __________________ 07 GT Sportronic, Deep Red Pearl. I like the 6G75 just like it is, the sportronic really does need a real mechanical LSD though. Back to the sandbox, current tour ends 20 Dec 2010.

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July 3rd, 2009, 04:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jonrod Aviator Name: Jon Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norfolk, Vagina Vehicle: Sexiest 4g in Norfolk Posts: 13,303 Rep Power: 109	lol i roll with castrol syntec

July 3rd, 2009, 06:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
leet Senior Member Name: Ruben Join Date: May 2007 Location: Montebello Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS-Turbo Posts: 515 Rep Power: 4	i roll with quakerstate "Q" synthetic but will switch to royal purple soon

July 3rd, 2009, 09:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	I agree with Russ, I think it cleaned put old shit

July 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
the fuzz k20 vs all Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NY Vehicle: eclipse,rsx,wrangler Posts: 6,364 Rep Power: 58	its the owner not the product no offense . __________________ I-VTEC do you? K&N , Tsudo ,dc sports , HONDATA ,DC5JIMBO TUNED.

July 4th, 2009, 12:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 11 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 8,285 Rep Power: 27	You should change it again with the same type oil and see if it does the same thing. What oil did you use before? __________________ Nitrous is just boost in a bottle... All the cools kids are doing it!

July 8th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
EclipseFL07 Aviator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Naples Florida Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Gt Posts: 2,634 Rep Power: 24	I used mobil 1 non sytnethic from the dealership, had the engine "flushed" and they put in more mobil1 synthetic, will see how this goes __________________ Selling OEM brakes (rotors, pads) - low miles

July 8th, 2009, 05:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
witeout iNeedBoost Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fort Myers, Fl Vehicle: 2006/Eclipse/GT Posts: 1,518 Rep Power: 4	royal purple ftw __________________ "objects in mirror are losing" Next Mod: Harley Davidson Night Train FXTSB

July 8th, 2009, 05:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	Look at the test done by Independent companies...royal purple not even in top 5. What is Ftw?

July 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
EclipseFL07 Aviator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Naples Florida Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Gt Posts: 2,634 Rep Power: 24	everyone here is right, royal purple is just over hyped, not used by any of the race teams - the only good thing royal purple has is a marketing team amsoil, mobil1 all up there __________________ Selling OEM brakes (rotors, pads) - low miles

July 8th, 2009, 07:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jonrod Aviator Name: Jon Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norfolk, Vagina Vehicle: Sexiest 4g in Norfolk Posts: 13,303 Rep Power: 109	i've always used castrol syntec 5w20 on all my cars.

July 8th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jonrod Aviator Name: Jon Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norfolk, Vagina Vehicle: Sexiest 4g in Norfolk Posts: 13,303 Rep Power: 109	i honestly cant see the logic in royal purple especially since most of us are DD eclipses. it outta be a crime what they charge for that shit

July 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
sullysdetailing Sully's Detailing Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coconut Creek, FL Vehicle: 2008 Raider Posts: 2,332 Rep Power: 6	If AMS oil can power a 900whp EVO 8 that runs 8.75 @ 162.8 I think you can trust it lol __________________ Shawn www.sullysdetailing.com shawn@sullysdetailing.com

July 8th, 2009, 08:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
DarkSidEclipse Did u see GT on the back? Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oahu For Now Can't wait to get back to the mainland Vehicle: 2006 Eclipse GS W26 Posts: 7,076 Rep Power: 65	Its more than Hype http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf Tests and Dyno results don't lie __________________ "No, no, no, light speed is too slow. We're gonna have to go right to MIVEC speed."

July 8th, 2009, 08:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
Drewfus32 Senior Member Name: Drew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kennett Square, PA Vehicle: 06' Eclipse GT 6Speed m/t Posts: 932 Rep Power: 3	the new castrol stuff wat is it castrol edge that stuff is supposed to be like 5 times better than mobil 1 and valvoline has that engine guarentee now so go with like ams or castrol or valvoline but dont go for royal purple your paying for the purple food color they put in the oil. __________________ Drewfus 06' 6Speed GT http://club4g.org/board/automotive-s...tml#post386463

July 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	Mobile 1 and castrol syntec is what I always used... API Motor Oil Comparison - amsoil valvoline quaker state castrol pennzoil mobil 1

July 8th, 2009, 10:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	I also see in a few performance shop websites to stay away from synthetic all together....

July 9th, 2009, 11:43 AM	#26 (permalink)
snoeclipse Call me Sparky! Join Date: Jul 2008 Vehicle: 07 GT Posts: 562 Rep Power: 3	Much depends on the additive package that is still in the oils. About a year ago the EPA mandated a huge reduction in certain additives for oils intended for gas powered engines. Some package components were reduced by as much as 75%. A lot of people have started using diesel oils like Shell Rotella in their gas powered engines. Diesel oils are (so far) not affected by the EPA ordered additive reductions. There is a lot of google-info available on this. None of this changes the emotional attachments people make with certain brands though. __________________ 07 GT Sportronic, Deep Red Pearl. I like the 6G75 just like it is, the sportronic really does need a real mechanical LSD though. Back to the sandbox, current tour ends 20 Dec 2010.

July 9th, 2009, 11:48 AM	#27 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 11 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 8,285 Rep Power: 27	Well as you can tell I am not attached to any one oil. I use RP, Moble1, Castrol, and Valvoline. __________________ Nitrous is just boost in a bottle... All the cools kids are doing it!

July 9th, 2009, 11:58 AM	#29 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	Because no one Ever hears about that stuff and people purchase based on hear say and tv commercials. People like mobile 1 because nascars have it so it must be good...or mobile give free oil and pays millions for them to use only their oil. People buy royal purple because that's what chip foose so other tv shows use. It's all the same shit. There's numbers proving one thing over another but it all comes down to the same thing you pour in your car an throw out next mounth.

July 9th, 2009, 11:59 AM	#30 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 11 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 8,285 Rep Power: 27	Have you ever thought that people use it, like chip foose, because it does it's job better then most? __________________ Nitrous is just boost in a bottle... All the cools kids are doing it!

July 9th, 2009, 12:01 PM	#31 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	That was just an example: I'm not sure if he does use it. But if he did um sure he holds it up with a big fucking smile because they give him a nice check to...it's all advertising

July 9th, 2009, 12:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
acer The Klutch Killer Name: Joshua Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: OC, Cali Vehicle: 08 Eclipse GS T Posts: 500 Rep Power: 2	Should we start a thread about which gas is better too? In that case I'm a 76 man myself. It's oil.. I know it's important.. But y swear by one brand so strongly?? Royal purple, mobile 1, castrol all do the same thing. Lubricate ur motor, other parts. I don't believe the royal purple hype either. I can honestly say that because I've used both mobile and royal. No difference. __________________ (G(r(acer)) Wisecos and Evo rods. You ready?

July 9th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#33 (permalink)
360jeepboy Eclipse MR Tournaments Won: 11 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dalton GA Vehicle: 06 eclipse GT & 88 jeep Posts: 8,285 Rep Power: 27	I doubt you would be able to "drive" your car with either oil and tell a difference. It is all in the testing. And once again... Did you just ignore the link that HondaHunter posted? I swear... I don't believe people can read something like that and say... oh it's just all marketing hype. I'm smart enough not to believe it. But I bet most of the people that don't believe a test of oil, with proof right under their nose, believes the government when they say that Alkata(misspelled I know) bombed the twin towers, even though we have been given no hard proof about such. __________________ Nitrous is just boost in a bottle... All the cools kids are doing it!

July 9th, 2009, 03:34 PM	#34 (permalink)
EclipseFL07 Aviator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Naples Florida Vehicle: 2007/Eclipse/Gt Posts: 2,634 Rep Power: 24	I would be a whole lot more satisfied if the review came with actual videos and from someone reputable and preferably someone who doesn't take bribes to promote a product. + that article is a little dated, some of the oils on there don't even exist anymore. It would be sweet if Jay Leno did a review on what is the best motor oil, or something of that caliber But you are right, I take back whatever I said about royal purple - I didn't do any lab testing on it, so it's all speculation at this time. __________________ Selling OEM brakes (rotors, pads) - low miles

July 9th, 2009, 04:46 PM	#36 (permalink)
ussoldier0227 Club4g Bouncer Join Date: May 2009 Location: KY Vehicle: 2007 Eclipse GT, 93 VR-4 Posts: 997 Rep Power: 2	I use royal purple in my 2g and 4g. No problems as of yet. __________________ The Sleeper 4g. RRE Headers, Magnaflow Cat-back, TB Bypass, Intake and TB spacers, Ingalls Stiffy, Energy motor mounts and bushings, CM Stage 3, Injen CIA, ZEX 35 shot, Eibach springs.

July 9th, 2009, 05:07 PM	#37 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	It's PDF give the iPhone a minute it will load. Or course there's no problem, you won't have a problem with the $2 walmart oil either...

July 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
TwilsonD7 Senior Member Name: Thomas Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stroudsburg Vehicle: 2008/Eclipse/GT Posts: 2,313 Rep Power: 5	Oh...came up on the 3gs

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