GS vs Civic SI

[DarkSidEclipse]

So after a few ricer fly-by's and trying to impress me with his fart can that by the way those cars look so ridiclous with those huge ass mufflers. 4 or 5 in what ever they are At the next light I decided to give em go cause his revin was annoying me. First was even Second I gotta nose Third Half a car and then he hit fourth like a full second or two before me and i really pulled away then. Anyways it was fun

[ryanastyG4]

which SI? those torqueless bastards..but each gen is gettin more hp. nice job

[michow]

you beat a new si? doesn't sound right

[ryanastyG4]

i beat a new si. stock but still

[DarkSidEclipse]

It was an 06 its a 2.0 they have more horse 197 @7800 but only have 130 tq @ 7000 not very much pull at all

[DarkSidEclipse]

I am pretty sure that muffler is the only thing he had didnt sound to impressive so

[ryanastyG4]

yea. its all high end. no torque

[MarkGuutz]

a buddy of mine dynoed his gs on a dyno jet with fujita cai, rre headers, and pulley and got 170 whp.

[DarkSidEclipse]

Ok Now so Im getting headers its the only thing off that list I haven't gotten yet lol 170 here I come

[LPfenix182]

could i take a new civic Si wit an axle-back and intake?

[snoeclipse]

"horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" Carroll Shelby

[bmshue51]

Originally Posted by MarkGuutz

a buddy of mine dynoed his gs on a dyno jet with fujita cai, rre headers, and pulley and got 170 whp.

then the dyno jet is WAYYYY off... a pulley, headers, and cold air intake aint giving you 40whp...

[ryanastyG4]

stock gs dynos at roughly 138.##

[ryanastyG4]

cai-13; pulley-6/7; im sure headers are atleast +10whp

[Tsensational]

Originally Posted by LPfenix182

could i take a new civic Si wit an axle-back and intake?

Probably not.

also, its more like 30 hp on a dynojet really. Thats what Dennis, the guy who used to be on this forum dynoed at the dyno meet where we proved a 10hp gain with the CAI.

[Tsensational]

I'll dyno my car with Intake/Headers/Exhaust/Pullet/FIC when I get spare munnies again probably.

[ryanastyG4]

and fujita dynoed roughly a 12-13whp/wtq gain on their site

[Tsensational]

I'm just saying this is what we dynod.

The Eclipse GS's spec is 163hp/tq.
1st run: 142whp/150wtq
2nd run: 152whp/156wtq (with CAI)
The only pics i can find is dennis' note on his hand



and

[360jeepboy]

:bs:

Sorry I'm going to have to see vid of this one. The new SI's are running high to mid 14 sec in the 1/4. They are pretty quick and should had it to a GS eclipse. Now if you were talking about an EP3 then I might believe you.

[Ricoswave]

I agree, no bolt on GS is going to hang with a new SI, unless the driver is shifting 1-3-5

Look at it on paper alone, and its obvious that there isn't much of a chance of this happening. Civic is hundreds of pounds lighter, with a much snappier engine. I'm no Honda fan, but I know those cars are respectably quick.

[DarkSidEclipse]

Originally Posted by snoeclipse

"horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" Carroll Shelby

Ok they have aprrox 130 tq @7000 rpms they if it wasnt from a digg and we were on the Highway then yeah he probably would had me on top end alone but he had no tq what so wvwr in the lower gears he even had to go 4 while i was still in three. Maybe he doesnt know how to drive I dk but thats not my problem so you can say what you want but i was there and i know what happened. I am not the only GS to beat a SI

[DarkSidEclipse]

Originally Posted by Tsensational

I'm just saying this is what we dynod.

The Eclipse GS's spec is 163hp/tq.
1st run: 142whp/150wtq
2nd run: 152whp/156wtq (with CAI)
The only pics i can find is dennis' note on his hand



and

Hmm well I have Magnaflow C/B, Fujita CAI, UDP, TB Bypass

Ill have to hit the dyno and see what shes got. Then throw some headers on her. Oh and the trunk is bare and I mean bare

[ryanastyG4]

if u beat someone driving an si. you beat em. dont let these downers tell u otherwise. woofuckinhoo. cant rely on stats alone.

[DarkSidEclipse]

exactly a car is only as good as its driver

[ryanastyG4]

exactly. this d.b. down thestreet has an 03 6spd 350z. my friends is300 and my gs blow him all the time. he cant downshift. he doesnt keep shifting when necessary. horrible driver

[ryanastyG4]

wow...no homo on the blow him. blow by him...

[liquidsilver]

In the day my friend with a old VW bug and and turbo put together by a slob beat the hell out of a porsche because the rich joker didn't know how to shift. Go to power shifting school. Can you still do that these days.

[DarkSidEclipse]

Originally Posted by ryanastyG4

exactly. this d.b. down thestreet has an 03 6spd 350z. my friends is300 and my gs blow him all the time. he cant downshift. he doesnt keep shifting when necessary. horrible driver

Originally Posted by ryanastyG4

wow...no homo on the blow him. blow by him...

ROTFLMAO I didnt even see it at first I knew what you meant though

[360jeepboy]

Originally Posted by HondaHunter78

exactly a car is only as good as its driver

True^^ and I'm not trying to be a downer.

Just don't go running around saying any eclipse GS will win in a race against the new SI's.... cause that is just not true. You beat the driver and that is all. Hell I just beat my buddys 2006 R6 but I'm not going to go around telling everyone my car is fast enough to take an r6 cause it's just not. I beat the rider and thats all.

[DarkSidEclipse]

well IMO thats what racing is all about. Granted you have stick in the same league but to me I am not racing a car I am racing the guy driving the car

[DarkSidEclipse]

also if u guesstimate 10 for the CAI another 10 for Exahust and UDP that goes from 140 WHP to 160 WHP You take a stock si 190 CHP stock so prolly 170 WHP its not that hard to figure that with only 10 WHP diff the car with greater tq can win there is almost a diff of 30 in the tq alone 150-160>130


side note i just said 150-160 cause it is somewhere in that ballpark

[360jeepboy]

True... but I just don't want to see the BS wagon coming if you tell someone you can take a new SI.

Your best bet is to find another guy (perhaps a friend) that has one and get a few good clean races in... that way you know where you really are agaist them..

[DarkSidEclipse]

dont worry plan on it hence the name lol hmm all my friends drive mitsu/infin/nissian/subi I am sure I can find some one though

[360jeepboy]

As far as the hp numbers go... I've seen the new si's dyno from 175-193whp stock. (yes that's right 193whp!!) so they are no slough. But hp numbers are just numbers unless it's the same dyno the same day. then we can talk.

Plus don't forget... the SI weights in at 2600-2900 lbs and the GS weights in at 3200-3400 lbs. that is a big difference.

[MarkGuutz]

i actually have come to liking the new si's.....

[360jeepboy]

I actually like them to... would I ever own one.. Maybe, but I would have to have a GTM or a bike also...

[DarkSidEclipse]

Originally Posted by 360jeepboy

As far as the hp numbers go... I've seen the new si's dyno from 175-193whp stock. (yes that's right 193whp!!) so they are no slough. But hp numbers are just numbers unless it's the same dyno the same day. then we can talk.

Plus don't forget... the SI weights in at 2600-2900 lbs and the GS weights in at 3200-3400 lbs. that is a big difference.

Wel if you look at the stock specs they are rated at 190-193 @ 7800 RPM's and thats at the crank

Your right we are heavier thats why I stripped the trunk and dropped the A/C

[ryanastyG4]

my whole rear from the seats on is stripped. anyone know of any rearseat deletes out?

[SkittleBug]

Originally Posted by HondaHunter78

It was an 06 its a 2.0 they have more horse 197 @7800 but only have 130 tq @ 7000 not very much pull at all

130 tq!!! Geez!!

[liquidsilver]

Check this out and put in the numbers
http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html